Expansion

Do they just now want Stanford in the ACC because they are so much better endowed than the rest of the league? Is there a bit of endowment envy there?
 
gtleviathan said:
What would be the difference between thinking something and seeming to think something?

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I'd say about tree fiddy.
 
murrayjacket said:
I was initially against Stanford because it pissed me off that the Irish were trying to throw their weight around to get them added when they themselves won't commit. I'm coming around a little bit if them forgoing payouts gets everyone else more money until the media contract can be renegotiated. And, as much as I dislike them, getting ND all in would really benefit the conference. I think having Stanford, who they play every year anyway, is going to help. I hope we'd get some sort of concession from ND if we pull the trigger on Stanford.

CFB has a huge "what have you done for me lately" bias when it comes to non-traditional football powers. Public sentiment is that Stanford is a terrible football program. They were kind of elite for a decade+ under Harbaugh and most of Shaw's tenure until the wheels came off. A few years later, everyone thinks they are trash. Kind of the same with Tech. We had decades as a very solid football program. After 4 years of the clown, all that is forgotten.

Downside is the travel and Stanford's weak fan support.
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Stanford seems to be rebounding after Shaw sort of let the program slip his final few years. The absolute hardest school to get into in P5 is sitting with a top 20 recruiting class and 8-10 4* commits (depending on recruiting service) out of their 28 total commitments. Troy Taylor and his staff now need to figure out how to keep that class together with the end of the P12 after this season.
 
Buzzilla said:
If their ultimate goal is the B1G, why aren't they in there now?

This is just one of the many things that doesn't add up to me. Great academics, great olympic sports, good football/basketball tradition, loaded with endowment money, rivalries with existing, new, and likely future (Notre Dame) B1G members. Why hasn't the B1G already taken them?

The ACC is being treated like a train station in all of this. There is something going on in all of this that stinks beyond just the obvious.
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Stanford isn’t a draw, and who besides them gives a öööö about Olympic sports?
 
gtleviathan said:
What would be the difference between thinking something and seeming to think something?

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Level of certainty.

I think this is a good idea. High likelihood this is a good idea, but not definitively a good idea.

I seem to think this is a good idea. Possibly a good idea, but still unsure.
 
WracerX said:
Level of certainty.

I think this is a good idea. High likelihood this is a good idea, but not definitively a good idea.

I seem to think this is a good idea. Possibly a good idea, but still unsure.
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I'd prefer "I think this might be a good idea" but I'll accept your definition. :bigthumbup:
 
Buzzilla said:
Stanford is pretty much the standard profile ACC school. If they were east coast, they would likely already be in the ACC. If they want to spend countless hours on planes for all of their athletes I suppose that is their choice. It makes zero sense. But the B1G is doing it too, so, somehow they've rationalized it as o.k. There is no universe that adding Stanford makes sense. But this is 2023 and bizarro world has been here for a number of years now so nothing would surprise me at this point except logic prevailing.

I don't have as much problem with Stanford as I do with Cal. That program is poison. That school is poison. Their balance sheet is poison. There is ZERO reason to bring that school into the conference. THWC.

None of this makes an ounce of sense. None of it. No one can seriously think this situation would work long term.

It's like the ACC is just turning into a stock room for the B1G and SEC to poach when they are ready to take their picks.

This conference is going to come apart sooner than later and I think adding Stanford or, god forbid, Cal, will only make it messier.

Oh, and just for good measure, öööö Notre Dame!
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I'm with you, none of this can work long term. I consider it a bridge to a future elite league within 10 years. So then, why play their game at all? Just tell them to get out town and keep on playing the plenty of teams left to play. I ready to get off the merry-go-round and just get back to college football.
 
originalwombat said:
Stanford isn’t a draw, and who besides them gives a öööö about Olympic sports?
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Stanford is a bigger draw than some of the teams already in the ACC though.

I can see where adding Stanford and Cal together may not have made much sense to some since they basically share a market. But maybe Stanford paired with another West Coast team?? Also, while I see ND pushing for Stanford, does anyone including ND care much for Cal?
 
Maybe the expansion hold outs should say they will agree to adding Stanford/Cal if ND (who is in favor of adding these two) agrees to become a full member.
 
I actually think Stanford would make a great fit....if their campus was east of the Mississippi. I don't want Cal and their tree huggers.
 
Stanford is a no brainier. Why take Cal. I would take Stanford without Cal. I'd rather take Wash St over Cal. But traveling to Washington St would be a haul.
 
aeromech said:
Stanford is a bigger draw than some of the teams already in the ACC though.

I can see where adding Stanford and Cal together may not have made much sense to some since they basically share a market. But maybe Stanford paired with another West Coast team?? Also, while I see ND pushing for Stanford, does anyone including ND care much for Cal?
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If Stanford comes in, ND must agree that it’s game does not count towards the ACC 5. So ND would have to be in for 3 home and 3 away ACC games.
 
aeromech said:
Stanford is a bigger draw than some of the teams already in the ACC though.

I can see where adding Stanford and Cal together may not have made much sense to some since they basically share a market. But maybe Stanford paired with another West Coast team?? Also, while I see ND pushing for Stanford, does anyone including ND care much for Cal?
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No P5 conf gives a öööö about Cal - including the ACC.

Stanford is only being considered bc of ND.
 
Berkeley has contributed a lot to science and technology, particularly computing. Think some of y'all are just biased against them because of the general political culture/bent there.

Yes they are sort of a football has-been but don't look too hard in the mirror.
 
Just call the ACC dysfunctional when a rich school like Stanford would join for free and we don't bring them in - just stupid and I am pissed at all 4 of the schools voting "no". I expected stupidity from FSU and Clemson but not UNC and as for NC State - what a bunch of wussies.
 
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