Haynes King starter?

ee8384 said:
"A team with two quarterbacks has none" - Red Grange or Knute Rockne or Vince Lombardi

One of them old football dudes.
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great quote and very true but not the least bit applicable at this time. We have a genuine QB battle that will carryover into the fall. This is a good thing and not an indicator that we have limited talent at this position.
 
CornerBlitz said:
great quote and very true but not the least bit applicable at this time. We have a genuine QB battle that will carryover into the fall. This is a good thing and not an indicator that we have limited talent at this position.
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1969 Baltimore Colts

Johnny Unitas and Earl Morrell. Johnny U gets injured early in the season and Morrell leads them to the Super Bowl. Unitas is healthy for the SB but Shula decides to start Morrell, who throws 3 INTs before Unitas comes in late and gets the Colts their only TD in the upset loss to Namath and the Jets.

Neither of those guys had limited talent. But you gotta have a number one and go with him. Shula tried riding the hot hand instead of playing his best.
 
ee8384 said:
1969 Baltimore Colts

Johnny Unitas and Earl Morrell. Johnny U gets injured early in the season and Morrell leads them to the Super Bowl. Unitas is healthy for the SB but Shula decides to start Morrell, who throws 3 INTs before Unitas comes in late and gets the Colts their only TD in the upset loss to Namath and the Jets.

Neither of those guys had limited talent. But you gotta have a number one and go with him. Shula tried riding the hot hand instead of playing his best.
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And Shula learned from that experience.

Three years later, in 1972, with Shula now coaching the Dolphins, first team Pro-Bowl QB and future Hall of Famer Bob Griese broke his ankle in Week 5. And who came in to replace him? Earl Morrall. Again. Morrall was the NFL MVP in 1968 when he took over for Unitas. So I can see why it was hard for Shula to replace him. In 1972, Morrall was almost as good when he took over for Griese. He led the Dolphins to eleven straight wins and was named first team All-Pro. But in the 3rd quarter of the AFC Championship game, trailing the Steelers 10-7, Shula yanked Morrall and replaced him with the now-healthy Griese. Griese led the Dolphins on two TD drives and the Dolphins went on to win that game, and then won the Super Bowl two weeks later over the Redskins.
 
andrew said:
If ranking a player as 1B in a conversation about the QB competition counts as pounding him, then yes, I guess you're right. But if that's the case then I think it will be difficult to have any sort of meaningful discussion about who should be the starting QB.

Also, I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Sims. This is a discussion about Pyron and King, right? No one mentioned Sims before you did or said that they would rather have him than Pyron. Sims is pretty universally disliked here and everyone likes Pyron even if some people do have issues with some aspects of his game.
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(What would Vad Lee have done?) is the real question.
 
GTQBdad said:
Thanks man. He is having a blast and smiling. That’s all we can ask for. He won’t just lay down and hand anything to anyone. He will keep working and improving, he’s a firm believer in iron sharpens iron. But I’ll just say this, he’s had a very good spring and absolutely loves Buster. He’s picked up his offense really fast.
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He played well, IMO. The deep pass to DJ Moore was a thing of beauty. Really, the best play of the game, IMO. I could see the two of them making a nice combo.

To be candid, I was impressed with all three QBs. And as folks here know, I'm not exactly Mr. Sunshine. But all of these guys seem more accurate to me than Jeff Sims ever was. And that's not hindight or sour grapes - from his first game I saw Sims play, I said that I did not think he was consistently accurate enough to be successful. But I'd be pretty happy to have any of these three, and having all of them is an abundance of riches. I felt that way last year after the Zachs came in to replace Sims: they both looked better than Sims to me, and I couldn't figure out (and still can't) why they weren't starting over Sims. I have nothing against Sims, and I wish him well and hope he develops more consistent accuracy at Nebraska, where I think he was a decent chance to start Game 1. But right now, I like all the guys we have better.

And since I'm being candid . . . I didn't really see a favorite between King and Pyron . . . maybe a small edge to Pyron. Gibson seemed to be just a little behind those two, but not by a mile or anything. It's going to be an interesting fall!
 
ee8384 said:
1969 Baltimore Colts

Johnny Unitas and Earl Morrell. Johnny U gets injured early in the season and Morrell leads them to the Super Bowl. Unitas is healthy for the SB but Shula decides to start Morrell, who throws 3 INTs before Unitas comes in late and gets the Colts their only TD in the upset loss to Namath and the Jets.

Neither of those guys had limited talent. But you gotta have a number one and go with him. Shula tried riding the hot hand instead of playing his best.
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I don’t think your Johnny Unitas story is proving your point. This isn’t a “who to play after an injury” scenario., but whatever….
 
1982Jacket said:
I felt that way last year after the Zachs came in to replace Sims: they both looked better than Sims to me, and I couldn't figure out (and still can't) why they weren't starting over Sims. I have nothing against Sims, and I wish him well and hope he develops more consistent accuracy at Nebraska, where I think he was a decent chance to start Game 1. But right now, I like all the guys we have better.
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The same reason Mason and Smith rode the pine while we ran Gibbs up the middle in short yardage situations where he was ill-suited. His whole philosophy was play the hype, not the game.
 
Liberty said:
The same reason Mason and Smith rode the pine while we ran Gibbs up the middle in short yardage situations where he was ill-suited. His whole philosophy was play the hype, not the game.
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Yeah, that was another thing I could never understand. Gibbs is NOT a tough or shifty runner up the middle. If there is a big hole (which our line rarely created) then he can take it to the house for sure. But when you need three yards on third down, I am NOT giving him the ball between the tackles. One of the reasons I do not foresee a lot of NFL success for him. Maybe as a slot receiver and return specialist. But I'm not drafting that guy in the first or second round.
 
1982Jacket said:
Yeah, that was another thing I could never understand. Gibbs is NOT a tough or shifty runner up the middle. If there is a big hole (which our line rarely created) then he can take it to the house for sure. But when you need three yards on third down, I am NOT giving him the ball between the tackles. One of the reasons I do not foresee a lot of NFL success for him. Maybe as a slot receiver and return specialist. But I'm not drafting that guy in the first or second round.
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Gibbs in extraordinarily dangerous in space. Some NFL coordinator will figure out how to get him the ball where he excels.
 
Really a shame what we did to Sims. He wasn’t tough enough to run the flexbone, but he could have run an RPO scheme effectively.
 
andrew said:
His time here was bad for a number of reasons, but I would not be shocked if he does well at Nebraska.
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This. As much as we've bashed Sims on here, I don't think his actions here were bred into him. I think he was coached to be that way.
 
GoGATech said:
This. As much as we've bashed Sims on here, I don't think his actions here were bred into him. I think he was coached to be that way.
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I dunno. He didn’t end up at FSU because he wasn’t going to be catered to as the only QB they signed. He’s always been afraid of actual competition.
 
Diseqc said:
I dunno. He didn’t end up at FSU because he wasn’t going to be catered to as the only QB they signed. He’s always been afraid of actual competition.
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He was a lot like Reggie Ball, except Reggie was a tough mofo & found a way to win games.
 
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