Inexcusable Loss?

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  1. Buzz_PhD

    Buzz_PhD Not lining up in shotgun at the goal line

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    So get ready for a nice run through the conference! 7 straight...coming up! :naughty:

    No, I’m not that delusional, but I support my team (and coaches).
     
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  2. atlanta jacket

    atlanta jacket Dodd-Like

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    Army is a hell of a lot better than an 0-2 junior football team. Army almost beat Oklahoma last year.
     
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    Chattanooga Jacket Varsity Lurker

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    And Michigan this year.
     
  4. JacketForLife

    JacketForLife No more small ball, thanks

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    All of my criticism has been 100% fair and they are most certainly not personal. Sycophants feel the need to defend the mediocrity, it’s why they get butthurt at the first sign of negativity regarding their glorious leader.
    He was not a good custodian of the program. Recruiting good players was too hard, so he didn’t do it. Working with the AD to negotiate and sell The Hill on why it’s important to have good football was too hard, so he didn’t do it.
    Adding variation to his offense was too hard, so he didn’t do it.

    Leading GT to where we think it should be was too hard, so he quit.

    That’s my biggest gripe, is that he was not putting his best effort for Georgia Tech. And that’s not unfounded. To me, it seems like the entire endeavor was to prove that the offense could work at D1 FBS and use our fine Institution to experiment on.

    I believe GT can and will be better than we have since O’Leary left. It’s a damn travesty that it’s taken so long to find the guy that recognizes how good GT should truly be.
     
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  5. atlanta jacket

    atlanta jacket Dodd-Like

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    CPJ was not a bad coach, he was by far not the 2nd coming of Dodd as alot on here thought.
     
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  6. JacketForLife

    JacketForLife No more small ball, thanks

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    I’d agree to that 100%
     
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  7. aeromech

    aeromech Dodd-Like

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    Why do you think it is only on the players and not on the coaches? No doubt they are having to learn and new system and new techniques, seems like that should be on the coaches.
     
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    aeromech Dodd-Like

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    I will take your word for it that this isn't personal; but your attacks have seemed personal.

    Recruiting results aren't what we wanted them to be; but I don't think it was because nobody on the staff wanted good players. TStan was emphatic that when he got back to GT than the program was way behind average in support for recruiting and has made that an emphasis. Do you really think anyone could have gotten MBob to sell The Hill on the importance of football? First you would have to sell MBob on the importance of it.

    You mean like diamond formation and shotgun stuff?

    I think he let GT beat him down. The last few years he didn't seem to have the competitive spirit he had when he first got to GT. That and I think he knew TStan wanted to go a different direction; so he wasn't going to get to lead GT to where we think it should be regardless.

    Again, I think he put forth his best effort initially; but over time the things that make GT a tough place to coach plus the lack of support from within took their toll.

     
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  9. RamblinWreck92

    RamblinWreck92 Dodd-Like

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    So many of the anti-CGC posts made thru the 1st 3 weeks this year would've resulted in temporary bans if made about the almighty-protected PJ when he was coach. Hell, someone called for CGC to get terminated after Citadel - no ban.

    The veneration of the guy is bizarre and cultish. He ran a quirky offense that had some great highs and awful lows and was paid very well for his time here. He ultimately left on his own accord and in a way that was beneficial to GT.

    He's not above criticism, esp. considering the heaps of abuse piled onto Gailey after his departure. Every single current GT starter is a PJ recruit. Doesn't make him responsible for Citadel loss but the effects of his regime are still being felt and worthy of discussion.
     
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  10. GoGATech

    GoGATech Big Dummy

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    And we're not anywhere near the level Michigan or Oklahoma is either. You are making my point for me.
     
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  11. gtfan088

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    The OL is also dropping like flies. That certainly doesn't help.
     
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  12. gtfan088

    gtfan088 Dodd-Like

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    And the clock stopped at 4 seconds when Oliver was still 2-3 seconds away from scoring. The play developed quickly, but it was very possible pre-snap that the game would end on that play. It's not idiotic that Collins wasn't able to predict the future. The real mistake was that he didn't call the timeout much sooner, given that the clock was already running.
     
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  13. JacketForLife

    JacketForLife No more small ball, thanks

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    I don’t think I ever said it was only on the players.
     
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    JacketForLife No more small ball, thanks

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    It doesn’t but that’s got nothing to do with failing to do your own personal job.
     
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    JacketForLife No more small ball, thanks

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    Timeout to prevent the runoff would be the correct decision.
     
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  16. ramblinwise1

    ramblinwise1 beware the zealot

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    So let me get this straight, you FOPs should really be OK with this... If the season doesn't show signs of significant improvement we fire Pdude and hire CPJ as OC and return to the option except that CGC would make him modernize it to appeal more to better recruits.
     
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    Walton Varsity Lurker

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    1) I noticed that the clock started very fast. It was like he anticipated the whistle.
    2) I tried to time it and it seemed to me that Oliver crossed the goal line at 11 seconds. So it seems like at most there would have been 2 seconds but if he had been tackled in bounds then game is likely over but theoretically we should have had a second (since we could stop the clock with a TO)

    Bottom-line is the screw up was not calling the TO at 23 seconds and secondarily not understanding the timing rules, which would have prompted the coach to call a TO at 23 seconds.
     
  18. gtfan088

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    Not going to happen, but yeah, in a perfect world CPJ could be OC concentrating solely on the offense, CGC, Thacker, and Burton would navigate the defense, and we'd still recruit really well.

    For that matter, just any really good OC would work. Right now it doesn't appear we have one, but he'll have his chance to prove otherwise.
     
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  19. BuzzLaw

    BuzzLaw where have all the average people gone

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    I disagree. PJ was always pushing leadership for additional resources. He did so publicly and, I would guess, did a lot more privately. He busted his ass recruiting but had less recruiting staff than Georgia State and Duke. Additionally, the AD did nothing - he came from a school that didn’t even have a football team and didn’t care about it.

    Adding variation? Just not true. See every poll since Vad Lee.

    Did he quit? Was he forced out? I really don’t know, but he hasn’t gone off and trashed GT since he left. He’s remained a fan and loyal to the school, and I appreciate that.

    It’s possible he did get burned out and truly wanted some time with his family. And, if that’s the case, seeing how Army has done, I would’ve liked seeing how Monken could have done here at GT.
     
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  20. RamblinWreck92

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    Our OL is in worse shape now than after 3 games of 2015.