Khalil Tate tweeted he didnt want the TO so Niumatalolo wouldnt be hired

[RamblinWreck92]

I’d rather have a coach that could win against UGA and win an ACC championship TBH.

I doubt either will happen if we don't improve our recruiting, which is limited by our scheme, as this kid's mouth indicates.

 

[smokey_wasp]

And now we are back to that level once more. Yes, some high spots, but also some low spots. And at least we were in bowl games even tho we lost them.

I think if you asked anybody back then if they would trade the Champs Sports and Humanitarian Bowls for a couple of Orange Bowl appearances and a couple of wins in Athens, virtually 100% of us would have said yes. Is it ever as good or bad as it seems?

 

[smokey_wasp]

LMAO - Epic Fail. Gailey's system outrecruited CPJ's annually. That Gailey sucked as a coach isn't debatable. That he and his system were far better at recruiting that CPJ and his beloved TO isn't debatable either.

The only time CPJ has had consecutive good seasons in the past 10 years were with players recruited for Gailey's system. (Though even in his best year with those recruits, his system couldn't beat a ööööty mutt team at home)

So take that and shove it up yer mom's ass!!!

Gailey was far better at recruiting than CPJ and it isn't debatable?

Per Rivals:

Gailey's average class ranking: 50.8
CPJ's average class ranking: 51.7

Bear in mind that Gailey had an 18th ranked class in 2007 and CPJ had a tiny class that was ranked 84th in 2013. Other than the one fabled class, Gailey's classes were all ranked in the 50's and 60's. The majority of CPJ's classes have been ranked in the 40's.

It's very much debatable.

 

[MACHETE]

Wow, so many thoughts...

- When the AA starts making decisions based on player tweets, it's time to get a new AD.

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I don't agree. You have a product to sell and customers aren't buying. Just like anything else.

 

[MACHETE]

Gailey was far better at recruiting than CPJ and it isn't debatable?

Per Rivals:

Gailey's average class ranking: 50.8
CPJ's average class ranking: 51.7

Bear in mind that Gailey had an 18th ranked class in 2007 and CPJ had a tiny class that was ranked 84th in 2013. Other than the one fabled class, Gailey's classes were all ranked in the 50's and 60's. The majority of CPJ's classes have been ranked in the 40's.

It's very much debatable.

That one "fabled class" was the reason we won the ACC in 2009.

 

[smokey_wasp]

That one "fabled class" was the reason we won the ACC in 2009.

It was a legendary class for sure. I was specifically responding to the argument that Gailey out-recruited CPJ on an "annual basis" which is completely false.

 

[GoldZ]

I do. And I'm waiting for you to pony up the cash so we can get Nick Saban in here to fix this once and for all.

I doubt seriously if the Nickster could do an order of magnitude better than CPJ at Tech. RW92 seems confused about what the more powerful levers are in ref to our recruiting limitations, and no, not even Saban could change said levers. Just a cursory look at how Saban did with MSU players and in the NFL when he was on a level playing field vs how he did at LSU and Bama, tells ya what matters in the Jimmies & Joes vs Xs & Os debate.

 

[GT to AZ]

I doubt seriously if the Nickster could do an order of magnitude better than CPJ at Tech. RW92 seems confused about what the more powerful levers are in ref to our recruiting limitations, and no, not even Saban could change said levers. Just a cursory look at how Saban did with MSU players and in the NFL when he was on a level playing field vs how he did at LSU and Bama, tells ya what matters in the Jimmies & Joes vs Xs & Os debate.

+1. The constant debate about how good we could be if we just had *fill in the blank* as our coach ignores the major factors that determine our success. It's hard to take the argument seriously when there's an obsession with one person while ignoring the larger picture.

 

[H-town]

I’d rather have a coach that could win against UGA and win an ACC championship TBH.

So you want George O'Leary.

 

[smokey_wasp]

So you want George O'Leary.

O'Leary was great and those were fun times for GT fans. That said, he did get to coach against one of the more mediocre uga coaches and a co-championship is probably about as good as a vacated one. If only we could've found a way to beat FSU.

 

[TampaBayJacket]

I like the triple option offense. It's cool and quirky and different. The only problem I have with it, really, is the recruiting abyss that comes with it. It feels like our talent level has eroded to lower tier Conference USA level. There's a strong counter argument that all that matters is your record but man, talent has to matter at some point? Doesn't it?

 

[smokey_wasp]

I like the triple option offense. It's cool and quirky and different. The only problem I have with it, really, is the recruiting abyss that comes with it. It feels like our talent level has eroded to lower tier Conference USA level. There's a strong counter argument that all that matters is your record but man, talent has to matter at some point? Doesn't it?

See my above post. Yes, talent matters and we have averaged about the 50th best class in the country ever since the rankings were invented. Your perception of it may be different, but the numbers don't back it up.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Gailey was far better at recruiting than CPJ and it isn't debatable?

Per Rivals:

Gailey's average class ranking: 50.8
CPJ's average class ranking: 51.7

Bear in mind that Gailey had an 18th ranked class in 2007 and CPJ had a tiny class that was ranked 84th in 2013. Other than the one fabled class, Gailey's classes were all ranked in the 50's and 60's. The majority of CPJ's classes have been ranked in the 40's.

It's very much debatable.

CPJ will never, ever have an 18th ranked class. Gailey was a better recruiter. As this article makes clear, there are plenty of players who flat-out will not play in this system.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

See my above post. Yes, talent matters and we have averaged about the 50th best class in the country ever since the rankings were invented. Your perception of it may be different, but the numbers don't back it up.

Problem is, we are already pretty difficult to recruit to, based on our academics. As this article makes clear, our system even further hinders our ability to recruit playmakers. For years, those who love this scheme have claimed that it doesn't hinder recruiting.

This kid and countless others beg to differ. Cat's out of the bag. The TO doesn't help us recruit.

 

[Yukonwreck]

I think if you asked anybody back then if they would trade the Champs Sports and Humanitarian Bowls for a couple of Orange Bowl appearances and a couple of wins in Athens, virtually 100% of us would have said yes. Is it ever as good or bad as it seems?

As I recall, many back then were reluctant to fire Chan because "at least we go to a bowl every year". But, yes we did move up to the Orange Bowl, but also have stayed home two of the last three years, and this year will make it 3 of the last four.

 

[TampaBayJacket]

See my above post. Yes, talent matters and we have averaged about the 50th best class in the country ever since the rankings were invented. Your perception of it may be different, but the numbers don't back it up.

I'm using the NFL draft and NFL rosters as my judge. Once you get out of the top 30 rankings, the only difference between 40th and 80th ranking seems to be how big your class is. Our talent level is clearly below what it was 10 years ago. The old timers say the late 70s and 80s were really when Tech hit rock bottom talent wise so I wont go full hyperbole and say this is the worst its ever been but its definitely the worst in the ACC (even below Duke/Wake!). The only P5 team I'd feel confident we out-talented right now would be Kansas.

 

[aeromech]

It's crazy. CPJers act like we can't hire anybody but him or Gailey. We can do BETTER!!!

It's crazy. People who hate CPJ think all we need to do is hire a coach that runs the same offense as UGA and then we will have top 20 recruiting classes every year. You show them that CPJ's recruiting is on par but slightly ahead of CCG and other previous coaches and they go into denial mode.

 

[aeromech]

Problem is, we are already pretty difficult to recruit to, based on our academics. As this article makes clear, our system even further hinders our ability to recruit playmakers. For years, those who love this scheme have claimed that it doesn't hinder recruiting.

This kid and countless others beg to differ. Cat's out of the bag. The TO doesn't help us recruit.

The argument from those who like this scheme is that the scheme takes the best advantage of the talent that GT is able to recruit. If you acknowledge we are at a recruiting disadvantage, which you do, and you try and do the exact same thing everybody else is doing, only with your lesser talent, you will get the results Chan Gailey got. I wish we could get the same talent as UGA, Bama, Clemson, UF, FSU, etcetera; just like everyone else does; but the reality is no matter who the coach is we will not recruit at that level given our institutional constraints.

And for those of you so giddy about the Chan Gailey recruiting years, do you not remember how patchwork our offensive line was in 2008-09. We had an undersized walk on at center, an undersized converted TE at tackle, and no depth. We would have never recognized the talent we had in the backfield with that patchwork offensive line running a pro-set. 2009 would have looked like the Orange Bowl in '10 all season long.

 

[00Burdell]

As I recall, many back then were reluctant to fire Chan because "at least we go to a bowl every year". But, yes we did move up to the Orange Bowl, but also have stayed home two of the last three years, and this year will make it 3 of the last four.

So you are predicting for all to see that we are NOT going to a bowl this year?

Let me know how much cash you want to wager on that.

 

[rghoae]

All the discussion about the TO on these boards is quite frustrating when the numbers (and the eye test) clearly show that our biggest problems are on defense. We’ve been through multiple DCs running multiple systems, and our defense has rarely looked good (and when it has, we have succeeded). This is despite the fact that the TO shortens games, and makes our poor per game numbers look better than they would have otherwise.

The question we should be asking most of CPJ isn’t how he can do better on offense but rather why his defense sucks so much. He cannot just pin it on the DC and say it’s their responsibility because he is the head coach and responsible for the entire team.