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ibeeballin said:
Lol it’s hilarious the personas you guys created in your heads about people that you’ve never met. Now it’s about left-leaning? You mean like Ryan Johnson? How do you know CPJ was upfront with people??
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What isn't hilarious are the word salads, empty promises and stupid slogans, that Collins has. Facts are facts... People, with common sense, use data and facts. However; that seems to go away with Collins. It's about the "feeling" he brings, the "emotions" he brings. I don't care about those. I care about Ws... You don't pay a CEO, to be nice. You pay them, to run the company and succeed. Why isn't the same logic used for a coach? Sorry if I stuck a nerve, with the left-leaning.. However; if you act like a duck, walk like a duck, sound like a duck.. it's probably a duck.
 
GoGATech said:
Are you that ignorant, hard headed, have a lack of common sense, or are you just being a troll? Nobody is saying that he didn't "actually" retire because when you are old enough and you take your retirement, quit working, move, etc. then yes that is retirement. The argument being made is that this was not a planned retirement and it came out of the blue out of nowhere. His staff didn't know. His boss didn't know. Nobody knew. That is quitting. When I am at retirement age, if my job gets to where I don't enjoy it or if I get fed up one day, I can also just up and quit on a whim, but guess what? It will be called "retirement" because I will be retired. That doesn't mean I still didn't quit. CPJ saw the writing on the wall that he would no longer be able to consistently compete with the top half of our schedule, much less win the conference / make a NY6 bowl again. We were being left behind further and further in talent and his argument was always that the school was the issue. Nothing changed with the school overnight and CGC came in and blew that out of the water. The fact is he didn't like to recruit and many top HS prospects did not want to play in his offense. It's that simple.
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Correct on all accounts. Except Collins just came in and blew. Nobody could’ve imagined he would be as bad as he has been.
 
Jmonty71 said:
What isn't hilarious are the word salads, empty promises and stupid slogans, that Collins has. Facts are facts... People, with common sense, use data and facts. However; that seems to go away with Collins. It's about the "feeling" he brings, the "emotions" he brings. I don't care about those. I care about Ws... You don't pay a CEO, to be nice. You pay them, to run the company and succeed. Why isn't the same logic used for a coach? Sorry if I stuck a nerve, with the left-leaning.. However; if you act like a duck, walk like a duck, sound like a duck.. it's probably a duck.
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Unfortunately, what data are y’all using other 9-25? Football is nuanced game but the bare minimum gets mentioned here in regards to why we are where are.

Slogans are not new to GT.

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I guess this was more of a warning than a slogan
 
Tampa Jacket said:
Correct on all accounts. Except Collins just came in and blew. Nobody could’ve imagined he would be as bad as he has been.
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Every National pundit and many in the fanbase said this would be 4-5 year rebuild. Hell i was in denial, too, until i saw the OL struggle to get in 2pt stance
 
I don't think you need 4-5 years to rebuild. GS went full triple option to full air raid in 2 years with a Leach disciple in Chris Hatcher, who posted a 7-4 record in his first year. It can be done. If I'm not mistaken, Hatcher brought many of the pieces of his staff from his previous coaching stop. Harder to do at the FBS level but at this point, I'd hire an entire FCS staff an expect better results than what we've put out so far.
 
GoGATech said:
Wow, you try to use facts and flat out lie to come up with that argument? Let's see.. when CPJ retired we were #50 in talent composite. We were in lower 25th percentile, that much is correct. So you say that is not at the bottom... well let's take a look at the teams below us. There are 65 P5 teams. We were #50 (everyone above us was a P5 team). So below us you had Syracuse, Arizona, Iowa State, Washington State, Indiana, Texas Tech, Illinois, Rutgers, Virginia, Kansas State, Oregon State, Boston College, Wake Forest, Purdue, and Kansas. If those are the only P5 teams we had more talent than, then yeah I'd say that's pretty near the bottom. Our average player rating (83.84) was closer to that of Wake Forest at #70 (82.87) than Michigan State at #30 (86.09). And then you say Collins has "modestly" improved the talent to "about 40th." We went up to 45 in 2019, to 34 in 2020, to 33 in 2021. 2022 is not out yet but should be around the same. We are at #33 in 2021 with an average player rating of 86.72. Ahead of teams like Maryland, NC State, Pitt, Michigan State, Cal, VT, Baylor, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. There is more talent on every team now also than there was back then too, so if you took CPJ's last team from 2018, they would be down around #66 in 2021 and vice versa, you move the 2021 class back to 2018 and they would be #26. So yes there is much more talent on the team now than then. That is a tremendous difference. The 2021 team had 16 4-stars and 69 3-stars while the 2018 team had only 4 4-stars and 73 3-stars. By the way, 2018 also wasn't just a down year or an anomaly for CPJ, it was pretty much on average for him. 2015-2017 team talent composite ranked 49, 50, and 54.

This staff started out hot in recruiting but the inability to put the wins on the board have stalled that out. Nobody is arguing that. The coaching HAS to get better or a change will need to be made. That said, if the coaching staff can get it together with these new hires and start putting up some W's, the recruiting will pick back up again and we will be even better. But to say that the team is currently not in any better shape than it was when CPJ left is an absolute joke.
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I do not flat out lie.
You're still free to do name calling and insults as you wish.
my post did clearly acknowledge that talent is improved.
it's also clear that you put your goalpost in a very special position (was it an absolute joke?? ) when you implied that "modestly improved" and "not in any better shape" are equivalent.
 
BuzzinWreck78 said:
I do not flat out lie.
You're still free to do name calling and insults as you wish.
my post did clearly acknowledge that talent is improved.
it's also clear that you put your goalpost in a very special position (was it an absolute joke?? ) when you implied that "modestly improved" and "not in any better shape" are equivalent.
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Moving the entire team talent composite from 50 to 33 is a great deal more than "moderately improved" in my opinion and probably most anybody who covers recruiting. Also, you said we moved to "about 40." Maybe not a flat out lie but it was a reach to make it look like we hadn't improved much. 33 isn't "almost 40" when your original number was 50.
 
ibeeballin said:
1) What prospect are you talking about?

2) Are you suggesting that this will be said recruit only offers and will not be reevaluated as ESD is 6months away.
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1.) ProspectS
2.) No & No

When you see a great many (say more than 2 outta 10), offers from teams on our schedule or traditional powers, you'll know we are making progress. When you see recruits ranked .02 higher than before CGC, you'll know we aren't. The TP can distort things, but I doubt we can live on that as a cornerstone of our recruiting. I see a lot of stretching in regards to CPJ's recruiting woes and also lot of same as to CGC's greatness at it. The product on the field doesn't reflect either view.
 
EagleSting said:
I don't think you need 4-5 years to rebuild. GS went full triple option to full air raid in 2 years with a Leach disciple in Chris Hatcher, who posted a 7-4 record in his first year. It can be done. If I'm not mistaken, Hatcher brought many of the pieces of his staff from his previous coaching stop. Harder to do at the FBS level but at this point, I'd hire an entire FCS staff an expect better results than what we've put out so far.
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Y’all make statements as if y’all won’t get fact checked You are talking apples to cantaloupes. GSU wasn’t full option/ heavy flexbone like CPJ teams at least 2006 it wasn’t

Hell, the first drive alone shows from pre Hatcher to what Hatcher is not much of transition.

 
GoldZ said:
1.) ProspectS
2.) No & No

When you see a great many (say more than 2 outta 10), offers from teams on our schedule or traditional powers, you'll know we are making progress. When you see recruits ranked .02 higher than before CGC, you'll know we aren't. The TP can distort things, but I doubt we can live on that as a cornerstone of our recruiting. I see a lot of stretching in regards to CPJ's recruiting woes and also lot of same as to CGC's greatness at it. The product on the field doesn't reflect either view.
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Sounds like your comment needs to be made in December rather than June. Every recruit minus i believe Cornist, who Daniels personally been recruiting since 6thGrade, has multiple p5 offers.

So recruits are now only validated by having UGA, Bama, OSU offers?
 
ibeeballin said:
Y’all make statements as if y’all won’t get fact checked You are talking apples to cantaloupes. GSU wasn’t full option/ heavy flexbone like CPJ teams at least 2006 it wasn’t

Hell, the first drive alone shows from pre Hatcher to what Hatcher is not much of transition.

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All I said was it took 2 years. Mike Sewak coached in 2005 which was 99% PJ's offense, and Chris Hatcher was coach in 2007. Jury is still out on what Van Gorder was running in 2006 but whatever it was was crap. There's nothing to fact check. Only saying that I don't think it should take 4-5 years to switch to a completely different offense.
 
ibeeballin said:
That’s fine. Congrats to him, but what any of that have to do with how the program was left in?
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Can we stop blaming CPJ for the fact that GT had a budget of 2nd to last in the in the ACC and had a phantom AD from 2013 to 2016? The man overachieved with what he was given to work with.

We stayed still while the majority of CFB increased budgets tremendously and we got left behind. That isn't CPJ's fault. He wanted money for staff, campus resources and recruiting; all the awesome stuff we saw Clemson and Alabama doing for their programs. But guess what? Bobinski didn't get the job done. 2016 was a decent year in spite of all of those factors. Some people didn't like the offense and they just can't get over it. It's not the reason for the "state of the program" when CPJ retired. You get what you pay for and GT was cheap during that time.
 
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GT to AZ said:
Can we stop blaming CPJ for the fact that GT had a budget of 2nd to last in the in the ACC and had a phantom AD from 2013 to 2016? The man overachieved with what he was given to work with.

We stayed still while the majority of CFB increased budgets tremendously and we got left behind. That isn't CPJ's fault. He wanted for money for staff, campus resources and recruiting; all the awesome stuff we saw Clemson and Alabama doing for their programs. But guess what? Bobinski, didn't get the job done. 2016 was a decent year in spite of all of those factors. Some people didn't like the offense and they just can't get over it. It's not the reason for the "state of the program" when CPJ retired. You get what you pay for and GT was cheap during that time.
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We are still being outspent by almost everyone on our schedule.
No one in our Administration cares. The updates from the President rarely mention athletics.
 
I think we can all agree that we are currently performing at a level that no one is happy with and that needs to change for the better.

There are many reasons why we are in this position, some more impactful than others. However, the bottom line is if Collins and Stansbury can't fix it, they need to GTFO like men and not rape our finances because they couldn't deliver as promised. That is what real men would do.

The rest of these arguments are only boosting your post counts because we can only learn from the mistakes going forward, not fix the ones already made.
 
GoGATech said:
We were being left behind further and further in talent and his argument was always that the school was the issue. Nothing changed with the school overnight and CGC came in and blew that out of the water. The fact is he didn't like to recruit and many top HS prospects did not want to play in his offense. It's that simple.
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This is not correct. Our recruiting budget was increased dramatically in 2019. We went from the bottom of the ACC in budget to the middle.

www.on3.com

Ranking college football programs in recruiting spending

Here's what public Power 5 conference programs told the NCAA they spent on football recruiting during the 2019 fiscal year.
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It seems awfully ignorant for people to say CPJ was such a bad recruiter when he was given significantly less resources than his peers. CFB is about money and GT was not investing like the people we want to beat.

Edit: Just checked the article again and recruiting budget was increased by $317.5k. That's a pretty significant increase wouldn't you say?
 
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