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[Liberty]

I’ve never had an issue with CPJ, personally. As fan of the game, I didn’t like that CPJ put his offense above the program. Became CPJ & the TO featuring GT football

CGC doesn’t believe in the constraints that many of the older guys put on the program. He has shown that GT can be a force in areas that many think was possible.

So let me get this right. You'd rather have a losing coach that's widely ridiculed but runs an acceptable but lower scoring NFL offense that our opponents love to defend due to its simplicity, rather than a winning coach that's widely respected & runs a higher scoring offense that's "unacceptable" that most of our opponents hate to have to defend? Very interesting.

Just so anyone that cares to respond knows where I stand I loved Fridge's offenses and would kill to have his level of offensive genius back as an OC. Barring someone like that, gimme Johnson. Both times we've had explosive offenses, our defenses have sucked balls. This vanilla NFL style junk offense Collins tried to peddle to the few fans he's not run off the last 3 years is boring. We've wasted an extraordinary amount of talent on offense, making matters worse by taking higher rated talent and reducing our offensive production by 40%. We might as well be watching the NY Jets. Less with more, followed by much less with more more..... rinse & repeat.

 

[OmnipoTech]

Call a spade a spade. When you leave your job unannounced, what else you want to call it?

Paul Johnson, the longest-serving Georgia Tech coach in a half-century and architect of a triple-option offense that was an anomaly among Power Five schools, announced his retirement Wednesday after 11 seasons with the Yellow Jackets.

Straight from USA Today.

As you you like to say, no need to tell lies here.

 

[ibeeballin]

Straight from USA Today.

As you you like to say, no need to tell lies here.

Directly from our very own beat reporter

He had athletic director Todd Stansbury’s full support and desire to return in 2019, according to Gregg Garrett, a major donor and close friend, and another person familiar with Johnson’s decision. Notably, the word “retire” was absent from the school’s news release announcing his decision.

After 40 years of coaching, it’s time to take a break,” Johnson said in a statement. “My family has sacrificed a lot over the years. I want to watch my daughter (Kaitlyn, a professional opera singer) perform and do some things with my wife (Susan) that we’ve never had a chance to do. It’s been a great run for the last 11 years here on The Flats. I’m proud of what we’ve accomplished and am looking forward to having the chance to coach this team one last time at our bowl game next month

Johnson’s decision to step down came as a surprise even to members of his own coaching staff, who Wednesday were on the road recruiting when they learned the news.

Georgia Tech’s Paul Johnson steps down

After one ACC championship (later vacated), three conference coach of the year awards, 82 wins (and 59 losses), 72 300-yard rushing games, a stream of graduated team members and no shortage of deft play calls, sideline outbursts and unvarnished opinions, Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson is...

www.ajc.com

 

[OmnipoTech]

Directly from our very own beat reporter

Georgia Tech’s Paul Johnson steps down

After one ACC championship (later vacated), three conference coach of the year awards, 82 wins (and 59 losses), 72 300-yard rushing games, a stream of graduated team members and no shortage of deft play calls, sideline outbursts and unvarnished opinions, Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson is...

www.ajc.com

Yea, no where in there does it say he quit. It does mention an "early retirement" clause in his contract, which is what he took.

From another AJC article-

“I told (athletic director Todd Stansbury) in the middle of the year that it wasn’t much fun,” Johnson said Thursday at his news conference to answer questions about his decision to step down as the 12th full-time coach of the Yellow Jackets.

Stansbury left the decision to step down up to Johnson, not wanting to rush him. But some space following Tech’s last game of the regular season – a 45-21 defeat to rival Georgia on Saturday – did nothing to change his mind. Johnson wanted to make a decision quickly, with the early signing period beginning Dec. 19. Tech has 15 players committed, and Johnson wanted to give them and the new coach time to connect and determine if both sides were still willing to stay committed.

You are extremely bad at hiding your hate for CPJ.

 

[The Jacket]

Paul's last team at GT would whoop the current team, just sayin.... The Citadel and NIU agree.

You guys are funny. You get so wrapped up in the points of contention while creating scenarios like this that you forget you are talking about Tech. Tech x2, in this case. CPJ Tech would come into the game ranked 17th nationally, turn the ball over 4 times giving up 2 TDs off them, and lose 17-13 to Geoffia Tech, saving Collins' job and earning him a pitiful gatorade bath. All the fans storm the field and the streets from off the top of the stadium.

 

[GoldZ]

Was the one at Bama rated this high in June of his recruiting cycle

He was a high 4* when we signed him, so he was probably a high 3 or low 4 before his great Sr. season in Dalton. He had 20 TDs and nearly 1450 yds rushing as a Jr. Certainly you aren't suggesting the guys with the offers from Liberty and Bowling Green will blow up like Gibbs in their Sr. seasons? And, if they do, they are poach material.

 

[GoGATech]

Not true, you're exaggerating. When CPJ retired the 247 talent composite was 50 or about lower 25th percentile of the P5, but not at the bottom.
CPJ's average sagarin power rating over his tenure was mid 30's or about 50th percentile so at least he coached them up in the right direction. The current HC has modestly improved the talent composite to about 4oth and his average sagarin power rating has been about 85..>> not the right coaching them up direction that any qualified coach would do....... despite a mid P5 level of talent he has barely stayed in the top 100 in performance and ending the season with 6 losses showed this team sinking rapidly.100-0 isn't getting one's nose above the water level.

Wow, you try to use facts and flat out lie to come up with that argument? Let's see.. when CPJ retired we were #50 in talent composite. We were in lower 25th percentile, that much is correct. So you say that is not at the bottom... well let's take a look at the teams below us. There are 65 P5 teams. We were #50 (everyone above us was a P5 team). So below us you had Syracuse, Arizona, Iowa State, Washington State, Indiana, Texas Tech, Illinois, Rutgers, Virginia, Kansas State, Oregon State, Boston College, Wake Forest, Purdue, and Kansas. If those are the only P5 teams we had more talent than, then yeah I'd say that's pretty near the bottom. Our average player rating (83.84) was closer to that of Wake Forest at #70 (82.87) than Michigan State at #30 (86.09). And then you say Collins has "modestly" improved the talent to "about 40th." We went up to 45 in 2019, to 34 in 2020, to 33 in 2021. 2022 is not out yet but should be around the same. We are at #33 in 2021 with an average player rating of 86.72. Ahead of teams like Maryland, NC State, Pitt, Michigan State, Cal, VT, Baylor, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. There is more talent on every team now also than there was back then too, so if you took CPJ's last team from 2018, they would be down around #66 in 2021 and vice versa, you move the 2021 class back to 2018 and they would be #26. So yes there is much more talent on the team now than then. That is a tremendous difference. The 2021 team had 16 4-stars and 69 3-stars while the 2018 team had only 4 4-stars and 73 3-stars. By the way, 2018 also wasn't just a down year or an anomaly for CPJ, it was pretty much on average for him. 2015-2017 team talent composite ranked 49, 50, and 54.

This staff started out hot in recruiting but the inability to put the wins on the board have stalled that out. Nobody is arguing that. The coaching HAS to get better or a change will need to be made. That said, if the coaching staff can get it together with these new hires and start putting up some W's, the recruiting will pick back up again and we will be even better. But to say that the team is currently not in any better shape than it was when CPJ left is an absolute joke.

 

[GoGATech]

Yea, no where in there does it say he quit. It does mention an "early retirement" clause in his contract, which is what he took.

From another AJC article-




You are extremely bad at hiding your hate for CPJ.

Are you that ignorant, hard headed, have a lack of common sense, or are you just being a troll? Nobody is saying that he didn't "actually" retire because when you are old enough and you take your retirement, quit working, move, etc. then yes that is retirement. The argument being made is that this was not a planned retirement and it came out of the blue out of nowhere. His staff didn't know. His boss didn't know. Nobody knew. That is quitting. When I am at retirement age, if my job gets to where I don't enjoy it or if I get fed up one day, I can also just up and quit on a whim, but guess what? It will be called "retirement" because I will be retired. That doesn't mean I still didn't quit. CPJ saw the writing on the wall that he would no longer be able to consistently compete with the top half of our schedule, much less win the conference / make a NY6 bowl again. We were being left behind further and further in talent and his argument was always that the school was the issue. Nothing changed with the school overnight and CGC came in and blew that out of the water. The fact is he didn't like to recruit and many top HS prospects did not want to play in his offense. It's that simple.

 

[The Jacket]

It's that simple.

That's probably why nobody here has stopped fighting about it for the last five years.

 

[wesgt123]

StingTalk.com: a place where fans and a former player argue over whether or not a coach retired or quit…4 years ago.

is it football season yet?

 

[OmnipoTech]

Are you that ignorant, hard headed, have a lack of common sense, or are you just being a troll? Nobody is saying that he didn't "actually" retire because when you are old enough and you take your retirement, quit working, move, etc. then yes that is retirement. The argument being made is that this was not a planned retirement and it came out of the blue out of nowhere. His staff didn't know. His boss didn't know. Nobody knew. That is quitting. When I am at retirement age, if my job gets to where I don't enjoy it or if I get fed up one day, I can also just up and quit on a whim, but guess what? It will be called "retirement" because I will be retired. That doesn't mean I still didn't quit. CPJ saw the writing on the wall that he would no longer be able to consistently compete with the top half of our schedule, much less win the conference / make a NY6 bowl again. We were being left behind further and further in talent and his argument was always that the school was the issue. Nothing changed with the school overnight and CGC came in and blew that out of the water. The fact is he didn't like to recruit and many top HS prospects did not want to play in his offense. It's that simple.

Pretty convenient for your argument to cut out the direct quote from CPJ where he told Stansbury mid-year he wasn't enjoying the job anymore. He also didn't up and quit, he continued coaching and working for another month through the bowl game.

The rest of your post has been pulled straight out of your ass.

 

[ElCidBUZZingFAN]

Are you that ignorant, hard headed, have a lack of common sense, or are you just being a troll? Nobody is saying that he didn't "actually" retire because when you are old enough and you take your retirement, quit working, move, etc. then yes that is retirement. The argument being made is that this was not a planned retirement and it came out of the blue out of nowhere. His staff didn't know. His boss didn't know. Nobody knew. That is quitting. When I am at retirement age, if my job gets to where I don't enjoy it or if I get fed up one day, I can also just up and quit on a whim, but guess what? It will be called "retirement" because I will be retired. That doesn't mean I still didn't quit. CPJ saw the writing on the wall that he would no longer be able to consistently compete with the top half of our schedule, much less win the conference / make a NY6 bowl again. We were being left behind further and further in talent and his argument was always that the school was the issue. Nothing changed with the school overnight and CGC came in and blew that out of the water. The fact is he didn't like to recruit and many top HS prospects did not want to play in his offense. It's that simple.

What a complete load of bullshit. Under this ööööing stupid criteria, every retirement ever is "quitting" cause up until you tell everyone - nobody knows.

 

[77GTFan]

This is a silly argument. Paul Johnson decided he had coached long enough and that if he was not enjoying the coaching he should step aside. Only he knows all the factors that had robbed him of the enjoyment. I do think he left at the right time - who believes he would have enjoyed navigating the current landscape, dealing with NIL and the transfer portal?

This was a decision made with integrity. He wanted out of the limelight and to be with family - it seems he has done just that, nothing like the hypocrisy of an Urban Meyer who left Florida for family and to see his daughter play volleyball on weekends and then spent his weekends on TV the very first week of the next season and then quickly returned to coaching.

None of this is really relevant to our situation in 2022. Coach Collins had absolutely nothing to do with Coach Johnson leaving. He simply took a job opening that was attractive to him. And, Paul Johnson is not responsible for any problems we may face in the fourth season of the Collins regime.

I wanted Johnson to succeed and want Collins to succeed. I applaud their successes and get frustrated at the failures, nothing personal related to them, I just want Tech football to succeed.

 

[GoGATech]

Pretty convenient for your argument to cut out the direct quote from CPJ where he told Stansbury mid-year he wasn't enjoying the job anymore. He also didn't up and quit, he continued coaching and working for another month through the bowl game.

The rest of your post has been pulled straight out of your ass.

I didn't cut anything out.. that's how the quote function works genius. It doesn't quote your quote, just your post. And no crap he wasn't enjoying the job anymore mid-year. Who would be enjoying their job sitting at 3-4 with losses to Pitt, USF, and Duke, and a "pick the score" game against Clemson? He also purposefully didn't call it retirement when he did "leave" because he thought he may end up going to coach somewhere else. It turned into retirement.

 

[GoGATech]

What a complete load of bullshit. Under this ööööing stupid criteria, every retirement ever is "quitting" cause up until you tell everyone - nobody knows.

I have worked for over 20 years at a corporation with over 500 employees. Over that time I know one single person that retired within a week of telling his boss. Most make plans, have a date set, there is an announcement, etc. It is very uncommon for someone to "retire" as quickly as CPJ did.

 

[ElCidBUZZingFAN]

I have worked for over 20 years at a corporation with over 500 employees. Over that time I know one single person that retired within a week of telling his boss. Most make plans, have a date set, there is an announcement, etc. It is very uncommon for someone to "retire" as quickly as CPJ did.

Hurr durr...I know a guy...

You sound even dumber now.


Here's another quitter in the coaching ranks that shocked the world cause no plan was in place and he just up and retired...I mean, quit...

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops steps down after 18 seasons

Bob Stoops, the Oklahoma football coach for the past 18 seasons, is retiring. Offensive coordinator Lincoln Riley will take over after Stoops won 190 games and one national title.

www.usatoday.com

 

[GoGATech]

Hurr durr...I know a guy...

You sound even dumber now.


Here's another quitter in the coaching ranks that shocked the world cause no plan was in place and he just up and retired...I mean, quit...

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops steps down after 18 seasons

Bob Stoops, the Oklahoma football coach for the past 18 seasons, is retiring. Offensive coordinator Lincoln Riley will take over after Stoops won 190 games and one national title.

www.usatoday.com

Yeah I would call that quitting too but everybody also knew he was having health issues at the time. Regardless of whether he publicly admitted it had to do with the decision, I can guarantee you it played a part. And yes he did have a plan in place because he left the program in good shape and in good hands, not in shambles.

Edit: And I sound dumb because of in my 22 years experience and seeing 100+ people retire, only one of them did it the way you deem so common? Ok, lol.

 

[EagleSting]

If I remember that last season correctly, it was pretty obvious to everyone around us where we sat that PJ wouldn't be back next year. It caught none of us by surprise, and we all knew he was done before the season was over. The passion was gone, you could see it in his face. I personally don't feel that he quit, nor do I feel that the media article was 100% accurate. The contract CGC received at the time is a pretty big clue, IMO.

 

[ibeeballin]

Yea, no where in there does it say he quit. It does mention an "early retirement" clause in his contract, which is what he took.

From another AJC article-




You are extremely bad at hiding your hate for CPJ.

Lol i love the deflection when proven wrong.

 

[ibeeballin]

He was a high 4* when we signed him, so he was probably a high 3 or low 4 before his great Sr. season in Dalton. He had 20 TDs and nearly 1450 yds rushing as a Jr. Certainly you aren't suggesting the guys with the offers from Liberty and Bowling Green will blow up like Gibbs in their Sr. seasons? And, if they do, they are poach material.

1) What prospect are you talking about?

2) Are you suggesting that this will be said recruit only offers and will not be reevaluated as ESD is 6months away.