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Discussion in 'Football' started by BTL39, Sep 26, 2019.

  1. smokey_wasp

    smokey_wasp Dodd-Like

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    Yeah, I didn't want to believe it for the longest time, but the evidence is in on this point.
     
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    I feel the same way. I don't think CPJ had the energy at that point in his career or the ability to craft new ways to fight the stigma.
     
  3. JacketForLife

    JacketForLife No more small ball, thanks

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    I was told by multiple 4*s over the course of the time that I left that this was true.
     
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    JacketForLife No more small ball, thanks

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    Nebraska was also juiced to the gills. And we aren’t talking Coach Collins juice.
     
  5. THWG247

    THWG247 Varsity Lurker

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    They would both have been equally or more awesome in a RPO offense
     
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    Vespinae Varsity Lurker

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    I think CPJ's playcalling suffered because Taquon was our best option at quarterback. The issue was that we lost so many guys in the QB pipeline ahead of Taquon playing.
     
  7. NotTomNotPhilButGCollins

    NotTomNotPhilButGCollins Banned (Temporary) Ban Hammer'd

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    That's CPJ fault for not recruiting better QBs than Taquon

    Urban Meyer said that 80% of your success as a HC is due to the players you Recruit
     
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    Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that. Our offensive scheme was absolutely stigmatized and constantly used against us in negative recruiting. The point I was trying to make was that a recruiting-minded coach can make that type of thing "cool". There are plenty of offensive schemes run by NCAA teams that are vastly different from NFL schemes, yet they are able to recruit talented players because they sell it the right way and with a lot of energy.
    No, I really don't think it is. We have a sample size of one. Only one guy has attempted to run that offense in P5 football since the turn of the century, and I think we all know he is not the gold standard of recruiting. Just because CPJ couldn't recruit elite athletes to play in the option doesn't mean nobody can.
     
  9. GoGATech

    GoGATech Big Dummy

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    We all know that CPJ wasn't a great recruiter and didn't focus a lot on recruiting, but everybody in the business knew how well he coached that offense, and I see it the exact opposite way. If CPJ couldn't recruit elite athletes to play in the option then who can?
     
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  10. OmnipoTech

    OmnipoTech Flats Noob

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    I think CPJ probably could have recruited better athletes had he been given the resources to do so. Hell, recruiting did uptick once TStan took over and gave him at least a little more than Bumbinski. Does that mean every 5 star kid is going to be interested in the 3O, no, but its not unreasonable to think a 3O team with the proper resources and coaches/salesmen could recruit in the top 35 and perform at the level of a top 25 team consistently with that talent.
     
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  11. RamblinWreck92

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    What's funny are the dwindling Scheme Firsters who will hear a player say that and STILL deny that reality. I emphasize "dwindling" as most GT fans are on-board the CGC train now, for better or worse.
     
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    I actually like the Navy color over black any day of the week
     
  13. RamblinWreck92

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    to the Turner Gills? (sorry)
     
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    yeah Shaq's looked pretty dominant in the non-option Patriot offense. He's one of those guys who it didn't matter what the scheme was.
     
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    I tend to agree. Some fans have pointed out that "things would've been different had LJ not gotten injured" but so far thru 3 games, he doesn't appear to be much better at throwing than TQM and is definitely not as fast a runner.
     
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    I disagree. All PJ needed to do was bill mileage to recruit across metro ATL and yet metro-area HS coach after metro-area HS coach has said that GT ignored them for a decade prior to CGC's arrival.
     
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    oldgold68 Bitter old man

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    If CGC is trying to emulate Dabo on some scale, he may come to the same conclusions about ineffective coordinators. Dabo made several coordinator changes before hitting on the combination he has now. We don't have the huge money to spend and may not be able to keep good coordinators, but we will never know until we try.
     
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    I'll agree with this also. Nesbitt was just a gamer and a winner and willed us to victory several times. Washington was extremely consistent and had a decent arm but seemed to lack the explosiveness and home-run threat. Vad Lee experiment didn't really work. JT5 was the only "electric" QB we had in CPJ's tenure IMO. TQM had his flashes but some games he was either just flat on or off. When I watch Navy run the triple, their QB's all seem to be as electric and as explosive as JT5 was for us. I said it many times, if CPJ ever got the right QB, we would be dangerous, and IMO I don't think he ever found that outside of JT5.
     
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    I think some of y'all have forgotten what it's like to be a teenager. Scheme is important, but there are a million other things that matter more. Read what recruits say matters to them - it ain't the offensive scheme.

    Our scheme was perceived as old-fashioned, but part of that is because our coach WAS old-fashioned.
     
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    A recruit picked Auburn because of Chick-fil-A. Kids are extremely impressionable and often pick a school based on feel. CPJ was a hell of an X's and O's coach, but he's not the type of guy to make GT feel cool or innovative. IMO it's that simple. If Clemson ran the triple option they would be recruiting just as well as they are now with Dabo as coach and an energetic staff.
     
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