One More Year

We could probably have a ST fundraiser to pay a co-ed to come on to him, and then we can fire him for cause?

I'm getting desperate here
 
Akinji07 said:
If I asked you for $10K to fix your house and you gave it to me, would you give me more money when I bring in a bunch of hobos from the street and they just throw paint on the walls and one of them takes a öööö in your living room and now I ask you for more money to get rid of them?
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So what you're saying is don't give any money until you fire the man bringing you the hobos? Unless I abandon my house, I'm still living with a steaming dump in my living room.
 
I don't think Tech can survive another year of losing. There are not many programs that have come back from 4 years of truly helpless play, let alone a program with all of the natural limitations of Tech.

The attendance from homecoming and BC has to be making TStan think about the buyout. The u(sic)ga game is going to be historically bad in result and attendance.
 
GTFLETCH said:
What I am hearing is how CPJ was treated at the end of his time at Tech is causing any future coaching candidates the "want to" when it com s to replacing Coach Collins.
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Not sure I follow this. Please clarify...
 
GT flunkout said:
So what you're saying is don't give any money until you fire the man bringing you the hobos? Unless I abandon my house, I'm still living with a steaming dump in my living room.
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TStan used his Tech guy and winds of change capital to raise the $100M for a glass building and hiring Collins and company. To ask for more money now is basically saying, sorry I ööööed up, help me get rid of this problem. By all means if he can pull it off he should. I just don’t think throwing more money at the guy who ööööed up in the first place is something people like doing.
 
Wreck07 said:
I don't think Tech can survive another year of losing. There are not many programs that have come back from 4 years of truly helpless play, let alone a program with all of the natural limitations of Tech.

The attendance from homecoming and BC has to be making TStan think about the buyout. The u(sic)ga game is going to be historically bad in result and attendance.
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uga will be the #1 team in the nation. Playing in Atlanta. TStan should be talking to MBS to have them host the game and begging the ACC to blackout the game on TV.

Edit: $100 per seat and 1 free beer. He could probably match the proceeds of the other 6 home games
 
I don’t like the one more year thinking.

One more year basically is going all in on this staff as configured. I don’t think that is a good idea. I think the current staff as configured has shown they cannot get it done on gameday.

However, recruiting has been good and CGC has done a decent job working the donors. I would prefer significant staff changes and a two year window. If we hit 3 wins next year with a revamped staff, then the problem is at the top. A losing season next year with this same staff and you never know where the problem lay.
 
WracerX said:
I don’t like the one more year thinking.

One more year basically is going all in on this staff as configured. I don’t think that is a good idea. I think the current staff as configured has shown they cannot get it done on gameday.

However, recruiting has been good and CGC has done a decent job working the donors. I would prefer significant staff changes and a two year window. If we hit 3 wins next year with a revamped staff, then the problem is at the top. A losing season next year with this same staff and you never know where the problem lay.
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I think the one more year thinking is applied to the head coach only. The rest are forfeit.
 
ricejacket said:
I'm firmly in the "Collins is a clown" camp but IF he can keep the class together and bring in one or two more studs and IF he purges the defensive staff and brings in a good defensive coordinator I could see giving him one more year to see how things turn out.
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Do not forget to addd IF he can start winning some games
 
WracerX said:
I don’t like the one more year thinking.

One more year basically is going all in on this staff as configured. I don’t think that is a good idea. I think the current staff as configured has shown they cannot get it done on gameday.

However, recruiting has been good and CGC has done a decent job working the donors. I would prefer significant staff changes and a two year window. If we hit 3 wins next year with a revamped staff, then the problem is at the top. A losing season next year with this same staff and you never know where the problem lay.
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I think we’re all talking about 1 more year for Collins.

Any way it goes it’s gonna be expensive to fix:

a) Stick to Collins and company and you get 1 more losing season and then fire everyone and restart. Lose a bunch of recruits in the process, add a $7.6M buyout to your expense sheet. Hire new HC and staff.

b) Force Collins to put Thacker on chopping block, throw couple mil towards getting a badass DC and maybe replace couple other guys. Keep recruits. Hope to make a bowl game next year. It’s high risk because if you don’t you still end up repeating option A but now having paid more for a DC and other staff.

C) Fire him at the end of this season. Lose recruits, lose $10M. Hire new coach and staff. Potentially reignite fanbase so your season ticket sales don’t look abysmal next season. Maybe see if alumni are willing to spare another $30M to build a championship team.
 
GTLiebs said:
I think the one more year thinking is applied to the head coach only. The rest are forfeit.
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I know. That’s my point. One year on the HC without significant staff changes. Two years with staff changes (my preferred route).
 
Akinji07 said:
Staff changes or not he still needs to make a bowl game next year or him and the new staff are likely gone.
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I could live with 5 wins if the new staff showed improvement and suffered a few early season near misses. The current staff would have no excuse to drop early games like this year.
 
Akinji07 said:
I think we’re all talking about 1 more year for Collins.

Any way it goes it’s gonna be expensive to fix:

a) Stick to Collins and company and you get 1 more losing season and then fire everyone and restart. Lose a bunch of recruits in the process, add a $7.6M buyout to your expense sheet. Hire new HC and staff.

b) Force Collins to put Thacker on chopping block, throw couple mil towards getting a badass DC and maybe replace couple other guys. Keep recruits. Hope to make a bowl game next year. It’s high risk because if you don’t you still end up repeating option A but now having paid more for a DC and other staff.

C) Fire him at the end of this season. Lose recruits, lose $10M. Hire new coach and staff. Potentially reignite fanbase so your season ticket sales don’t look abysmal next season. Maybe see if alumni are willing to spare another $30M to build a championship team.
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A more inexpensive b) is fire Thacker and have Collins call his own defense. Then just hire a position coach who is a beast on the recruiting trail.
 
Going to the "CEO model" means that a head coach is only as good as his coordinators. For this to work, Collins will need to take a hard look at his staff and react accordingly. If he holds on too long, they will take the whole ship down.

I'm not a big Collins fan, but remember that the Dabo experiment at Clemson didn't REALLY take off until he hired Venables in 2012. Ultimately staff decisions will decide Collins' future.
 
Akinji07 said:
Staff changes or not he still needs to make a bowl game next year or him and the new staff are likely gone.
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That's my thinking. I wouldn't force changes on him but I would let him know that it's next year or never, and we will get whatever staff he needs to get it done (within what we can afford). If he wants to roll with his current guys, ride or die, his choice.
 
GTROY said:
Going to the "CEO model" means that a head coach is only as good as his coordinators. For this to work, Collins will need to take a hard look at his staff and react accordingly. If he holds on too long, they will take the whole ship down.

I'm not a big Collins fan, but remember that the Dabo experiment at Clemson didn't REALLY take off until he hired Venables in 2012. Ultimately staff decisions will decide Collins' future.
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CEO model only works when you...act like a CEO. And fire your underperforming directors.

Collins is like a CEO of a small family business...his OC and DC would not have been considered for their role had Geoff not been hired. They would not have been snapped up by a P5 program. And then to keep them in place for three years...that worries me. That tells me everything in terms of his competence as a CEO-type.
 
Akinji07 said:
TStan used his Tech guy and winds of change capital to raise the $100M for a glass building and hiring Collins and company. To ask for more money now is basically saying, sorry I ööööed up, help me get rid of this problem. By all means if he can pull it off he should. I just don’t think throwing more money at the guy who ööööed up in the first place is something people like doing.
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More realistic to go to the money guys and ask for $$$ to hire quality assistants
 
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