Discussion in 'Football' started by EastboundJacket, Aug 27, 2019.
I have no idea if they are coached well or not. I just expect a complex offense with lots of substitutes running on and off, plus lots of formations where players need to remember where they are supposed to be, coupled with it being the first game is going to result in mistakes. It will get better in subsequent games.
Everybody loves any offense when it works and hates any offense when it doesn't. You're right there. What I disagree with is the second statement, which implies CPJ's offense didnt really hurt recruiting. CPJ's offense definitely did hurt recruiting, irrefutably, whether it worked or not. The absolute truth is elite players have dreams of playing in the NFL and the triple option is a big turn off. The long-term erosion of our talent level was measurable in both the trend in our W-L record and in the number of NFL draft picks each year.
They score to come within six points. We get the ball with 6:20 on the clock and never relinquish posession.
In fact we took a knee in their red zone to end the game.
And I think a lot of recruits just saw the TO as antiquated. While I love option football, it's not what most 16-18 year-old athletes are dreaming of playing in. I had hoped that kids would see how successful the offense was with guys like Dwyer and Thomas and it would help offset previous perceptions, but that just never materialized in recruiting. PJ's attitude probably didn't help in this regard.
The schematic advantage helped compensate for this somewhat, but think about all the times we had backs caught after a 20-30 yard run, then fumbled or otherwise failed to score that drive, and imagine someone like Dwyer taking that same run to the house instead.
I looked at Clem's son's scores from last year, and we were only 1 of 4 teams to score over 20 points against them. ND and Bama couldn't do it in the playoffs. Texas A&M and Syracuse look to be the only teams that didn't get the "garbage time" experience. I think we can pat ourselves on the back a little.
I love it, but we have to lose the good with the bad. So going forward, we'll simply have to either go score or get a stop. Hardly impossible.
Scoring Summary Table
Quarter Time Team Description CLEM GT
1 3:42 CLEM Clelin Ferrell 1 yard fumble return (Greg Huegel kick) 7 0
2 9:11 CLEM Hunter Renfrow 17 yard pass from Trevor Lawrence (Greg Huegel kick) 14 0
7:05 CLEM Justyn Ross 53 yard pass from Trevor Lawrence (Greg Huegel kick) 21 0
2:08 GT TaQuon Marshall 11 yard run (Shawn Davis kick) 21 7
0:05 CLEM Travis Etienne 3 yard pass from Trevor Lawrence (Greg Huegel kick) 28 7
3 12:20 CLEM Tavien Feaster 27 yard run (Greg Huegel kick) 35 7
5:10 CLEM Travis Etienne 3 yard run (Greg Huegel kick) 42 7
1:43 GT Nate Cottrell 2 yard run (Shawn Davis kick) 42 14
4 6:15 GT Clinton Lynch 5 yard pass from Tobias Oliver (Shawn Davis kick) 42 21
4:01 CLEM Tee Higgins 30 yard pass from Trevor Lawrence (Greg Huegel kick)
See? Once Clem is up 35 they let up on the gas. Place your bets folks!
I'll throw Patenaude a bone here. The biggest problem with the CPJ system was that it was inherently difficult to execute. If you could execute it, it was lightning. If you couldn't, it was a sack of dung. So maybe moving to something easier to execute will help us out.
Thanks for this.
One other note - whatever happens against Clemson is not very likely to be indicative of the rest of our season. Having Clemson up front could be a blessing. If we do well, then we build on that. If we don't, who cares.
The bigger thing to help us out will be the coaches getting support they need from the AD and boosters. Recruiting will trend upward - it has to. Enough? We'll see.
If we can't move the ball and score three times including garbage time (with at least 1 offensive touchdown before garbage time); then it could be indicative of our season. That said if we can get over 200 yards offense and stay within 4 touchdowns of Clemson, then I'll definitely have a positive feeling about the rest of the season.
We also didn’t give CPJ this much budget to work with. He had his pick of dollar store clearance aisle selection of assistant coaches.
It was evident by his last two years’ performance there weren’t a lot of people on staff that gave a öööö.
Very true. It seems like we have some really good assistants now, so I hope that proves to be true and we can hold onto them.
Roof was like the second highest paid assistant when we hired him. And we were overpaying Sewak if he was making more than $3.50.
Raising that bar way up there, eh?
Mouse Davis' resume isn't all that impressive unless you like second city football leagues.
Emory Bellard did ok in the SWC but only had 2 winning seasons out of 7 when he tried to take his show to the SEC.
I wouldn't put either of those two at the same level as Paul Johnson. Johnson, Leach, Petersen, and Spurrier are definitely on a different level than Mouse Davis and Bellard. I just found it interesting you put Spurrier at the bottom of that list and Johnson not even near the list.
Can that even be done? Have assistants that are really good and at the same time have then want to stay on as an assistant at Georgia Tech if they are getting opportunities for advancement elsewhere?