Sims = Bilbo

[GoGATech]

He was better than Sims against Clemson.

How many of Sims' passes' yards were after the catch? How is that even a bad thing? For all you know that could be due to targeting more open receivers instead of guys in heavy coverage, which is a positive.

I'm literally talking about performance against Clemson, so yes it is about 1 game - well 2, unless you want to include Sim's performance in 2020 too which wasn't pretty and doesn't help his case.

That's my point. You're going to throw out all other games and make your judgement on which is better solely for how they played against Clemson? Thats absurd.

 

[JJacket]

And he outperformed Jeff Sims against Clemson. I know you hate the guy, but he was a good player that got put in a lot of öööö situations.

You are probably pretty short too if I had to guess.

Are you his dad or girlfriend or something? He had MAYBE 1-2 decent series his entire stay at GT. That is it. You Yates fanbois just ain't gonna let it go, are you? Guess what? He lost against Clemson last year. He got absolutely destroyed against Notre Dame and UGAg.

 

[OmnipoTech]

That's my point. You're going to throw out all other games and make your judgement on which is better solely for how they played against Clemson? Thats absurd.

You are still misunderstanding, I'm not talking about who is better overall. I'm talking about who played better against Clemson and that's it. No extrapolation.

 

[OmnipoTech]

Are you his dad or girlfriend or something? He had MAYBE 1-2 decent series his entire stay at GT. That is it. You Yates fanbois just ain't gonna let it go, are you? Guess what? He lost against Clemson last year. He got absolutely destroyed against Notre Dame and UGAg.

No, did you want to be his girlfriend or something? You seem really vindictive towards him amd pretty jelly tbh.

 

[JJacket]

No, did you want to be his girlfriend or something? You seem really vindictive towards him amd pretty jelly tbh.

I'm not vindictive. He just isn't that damn good. He was slow and had a weak arm. You're acting like he should have started because he almost scored against Clemson.....almost.

 

[GoGATech]

You are still misunderstanding, I'm not talking about who is better overall. I'm talking about who played better against Clemson and that's it. No extrapolation.

I'm not misunderstanding anything. You can't just compare how Yates played last year against Clemson to how Jeff played this year against Clemson. It's not logical. It is two totally different games with different players, different conditions, different coaches, etc. Just because Yates' stats last year vs Clemson are better than Sims this year vs Clemson does not mean he is the better QB to play against them. You do not know how Sims would've done last year or how Yates would've done this year. I firmly believe Sims would've played better than Yates did against them last year, and also that Yates would not have performed as well as Sims did against them on Monday night. And that's based on what I've seen over 2 year period of watching them both play, not just in 1 game vs another.

 

[H-town]

He was better than Sims against Clemson.

How many of Sims' passes' yards were after the catch? How is that even a bad thing? For all you know that could be due to targeting more open receivers instead of guys in heavy coverage, which is a positive.

I'm literally talking about performance against Clemson, so yes it is about 1 game - well 2, unless you want to include Sim's performance in 2020 too which wasn't pretty and doesn't help his case.

Why don't you compare notes in an actual game where they both played?

 

[OmnipoTech]

I'm not misunderstanding anything. You can't just compare how Yates played last year against Clemson to how Jeff played this year against Clemson. It's not logical. It is two totally different games with different players, different conditions, different coaches, etc. Just because Yates' stats last year vs Clemson are better than Sims this year vs Clemson does not mean he is the better QB to play against them. You do not know how Sims would've done last year or how Yates would've done this year. I firmly believe Sims would've played better than Yates did against them last year, and also that Yates would not have performed as well as Sims did against them on Monday night. And that's based on what I've seen over 2 year period of watching them both play, not just in 1 game vs another.

Yes you are misunderstanding. You've done this before, where you claim to know better what I'm saying than I do. It's retard level logic and par for the course for you.

 

[GoGATech]

Yes you are misunderstanding. You've done this before, where you claim to know better what I'm saying than I do. It's retard level logic and par for the course for you.

Seems to me everybody is disagreeing with you so I don't think so. I understand the comparison you are making. I'm saying it's a stupid comparison as is everyone else. You flat out said you'd rather go with the guy that played better against Clemson last year. So you are making a judgement on who is better based on that.

 

[OmnipoTech]

Why don't you compare notes in an actual game where they both played?

You mean like NIU? Yates played better in that game too. Jeff played better against UNC, but UNC also flat out admitted they didn't expect him to play and did not prepare for that.

There are very few points we can compare the two at because most games only had one of them playing. Yates played Clemson, UGA, and ND, the three toughest teams on our schedule last year by far, and KSU. Sims played Pitt who turned out to be pretty good (and we got stomped), and then a bunch of mediocre to bad ACC teams.

I think they each bring different things to the table, but ultimately their performances and the outcomes are fairly equal. Sims on paper should have way more talent and natural advantages, but he doesn't play up to the level you would expect. Yates outplayed his size, but obviously has a lower ceiling.

Yates gets öööö on a lot around here, particularly for the scores against ND and UGA, buts its laughable to think sticking Sims in there and changing nothing else would have resulted in more points. Nobody on our team was trying in those games, and Sims ain't a superhero.

 

[OmnipoTech]

Seems to me everybody is disagreeing with you so I don't think so. I understand the comparison you are making. I'm saying it's a stupid comparison as is everyone else. You flat out said you'd rather go with the guy that played better against Clemson last year. So you are making a judgement on who is better based on that.

Well I know you don't understand, so there is nothing else to discuss.

 

[JJacket]

Yes you are misunderstanding. You've done this before, where you claim to know better what I'm saying than I do. It's retard level logic and par for the course for you.

None of us are really getting your point. If you are trying to say Yates > Sims, you are wrong

 

[GoGATech]

Well I know you don't understand, so there is nothing else to discuss.

You sure do a ööööty job of explaining then because nobody else seems to understand either. That's not on me, that's on you. You flat out said yourself that you would rather take the qb who got us in the redzone against Clemson more last year but couldn't score a TD over the one who did this year.

 

[GoGATech]

None of us are really getting your point. If you are trying to say Yates > Sims, you are wrong

He keeps saying he is only saying Yates was better last year than Sims was this year against Clemson. Which is true only if you go by passing yardage. He also said he would rather have Yates than Sims based on that.

 

[OmnipoTech]

He keeps saying he is only saying Yates was better last year than Sims was this year against Clemson. Which is true only if you go by passing yardage. He also said he would rather have Yates than Sims based on that.

Yates did better than Sims at passing yardage, yards per completion, QBR, number of trips to the redzone, rushing yardage.

 

[OmnipoTech]

You sure do a ööööty job of explaining then because nobody else seems to understand either. That's not on me, that's on you. You flat out said yourself that you would rather take the qb who got us in the redzone against Clemson more last year but couldn't score a TD over the one who did this year.

I can't make the blind see, and you are Mr Magoo.

 

[whiskey clear]

If you know...you know. Physical beast. Just doesn't have the football IQ to play at this level.

The bad news? He was the brightest hope on the field for us last night.

If we don't get rid of Collins and his loser mentality, his inability to see in Sim's third year that he can't do this job, and his never ending string of horrible in-game decisions, our once proud program is headed the way of the Do-Do bird.

Hasn't had the coaching he needs to even evaluate this. Weinke is the first decent coach to work with him imo.

 

[JJacket]

Yates did better than Sims at passing yardage, yards per completion, QBR, number of trips to the redzone, rushing yardage.

I suggest you go follow Yates at Sam Houston State then. Apparently, no P5 team felt he was a P5 QB and picked him up. I was never impressed.

 

[OmnipoTech]

I suggest you go follow Yates at Sam Houston State then. Apparently, no P5 team felt he was a P5 QB and picked him up. I was never impressed.

That's fine. I do check in on how some of our guys that transferred out are doing from time to time.

Can you honestly sit here and say you've been impressed with anything Sims has done more than maybe once? I'm sure there were teams trying to talk to him in the offseason about transferring, but they were likely all based on his perceived talent level and high ceiling, and not based on anything he's actually done here. Sims looks like he should be a stud, so when he underperforms the assumption seems to be Tech is holding him back. Yates doesn't look like a stud, so the assumption is well he just isn't that good, even though he was working with the same limitations Sims had of having a dogshit OL and terrible coaching.

 

[GoGATech]

Yates did better than Sims at passing yardage, yards per completion, QBR, number of trips to the redzone, rushing yardage.

For starters, using the stats comparison isn't very reliable anyway because they were low for both guys anyway playing a stout defense, but since you are using it we'll dive in. Here are the stat lines:

	Pass​	%​	Yds/Avg​	TD/INT​	Efficiency Rtg​	QBR​	Rush​	Yds​	Avg​
Yates 2021	20/34​	58.8​	203/6.0​	0/1​	103.1​	65.1​	15​	21​	1.4​
Sims 2022	23/36​	63.9​	164/4.6​	1/1​	105.8​	62.8​	13​	41​	3.2​

So first off, Sims had more rushing yards on fewer carries for a higher average so you were wrong about that. Yates had 39 more passing yards with a slightly better QBR but Sims had a higher completion rate with a better efficiency rating. There was one play in the 2021 game also where Yates threw a 2 yard pass to Kyric McGowan that was sort of a pick play and he broke off a 32 yard run after that so there is your main difference in passing yardage right there on one play that was mostly done by the receiver. Sims had 3 passes dropped that hit guys in the hands Monday night. Sure Yates got into the redzone more but Sims delivered more. You can chalk any or all of that up to coaching or players but the simple fact is Jeff accounted for 6 points of offense against Clemson and Yates accounted for zero. If you want to count the FG/XPs then Sims put up 10 on them (could've been 13 because had us in FG range but missed), and Yates put up 6. It's like you didn't even watch either game and are just going by stats you looked up. And once again, two different seasons is still an apples to oranges comparison. Just because some of his stats were better last year than Sims were this year doesn't say anything. Trenton Simpson also was ejected early in last years game for targeting, that would've made a big difference also.