Some Comments

[JTS]

IMO

Tier 1

Fisher
Edsall
Hatcher
Petersen
Pellini (I think he will be coaching Nebraska)

Tier 2
Chow
Tenuta
Cutcliffe
Mason (?)
????

If we make a change, we will probably end up with someone that we aren't even talking about right now.

 

[GTKyle]

There could be 3 or 4 openings this year alone that are paying more than that. Nebraska and A&M for sure, possibly Michigan, all of which beat us on "Prestige" too.

Irrelevant.

If we fire Chan this year, we will most definitely be making a bold statement that "you can't be mediocre and have job security here," meaning we class ourselves right out of the "job security" hires too.

Think, dude.

Chan has been here six years and has done nothing significant at Tech. How is that not job security? He was kept on for doing nothing and given an extension.

Think, dude.

 

[GT_LUVER]

Chan has been here six years and has done nothing significant at Tech. How is that not job security? He was kept on for doing nothing and given an extension.

Think, dude.

That was under a different AD. Hopefully it will be different under the reign of DRAD.

 

[demjackets]

If we fire Chan this year, we will most definitely be making a bold statement that "you can't be mediocre and have job security here," meaning we class ourselves right out of the "job security" hires too.

Think, dude.

6 years is a long time nowadays

Fun fact: Did you know Chan is 7th overall in longest tenured among active Head coaches who has not guided a BCS conference school to a BCS game? #1 is Houston Nutt

 

[beej67]

Irrelevant

Noooo, it's very relevant to what you posted:

The next coach will probably have $1.5 million/year contract at Tech. If he is successful that could go up to $2+ million. There are only a handful of schools that could compete at that price range.

There are going to be at least 2, maybe 3, maybe 4 schools who will be competing at that price range this year alone.

Chan has been here six years and has done nothing significant at Tech. How is that not job security? He was kept on for doing nothing and given an extension.

Think, dude.

So you think you can sell the GT job as a "high job security job" after just firing someone who won 7, possibly 8 games?


I'm not saying we can't get a coach. I'm saying "come to coach GT because your job security is great" after firing a 7 or 8 win coach just doesn't work.

Why is that not obvious?

 

[JTS]

Let's see who's been around longer without a BCS bowl:

Nutt
Bowden, Tommy
Groh
Edsall
Leavitt
Pinkel

 

[GTKyle]

So you think you can sell the GT job as a "high job security job" after just firing someone who won 7, possibly 8 games?


I'm not saying we can't get a coach. I'm saying "come to coach GT because your job security is great" after firing a 7 or 8 win coach just doesn't work.

Are you trying to say winning 7 games is an accomplishment now? Four of our wins are just givens: ND, Samford, Army, Duke (TBP).

Yes, it does work. If Gailey had his same record at UF, UGA, etc, he would have been out already. Job security at Tech is relatively good.

 

[demjackets]

Houston Nutt (Arkansas) - 1998
Tommy Bowden (Clemson) - 1999
Mike Leach (Texas Tech) - 2001
Al Groh (UVA) - 2001
Greg Schiano (Rutgers) - 2001
Gary Pinkel (Missouri) - 2001

Edsall and Leavitt didnt join a BCS conference till 2004 and 2005

You got close JTS!!!

 

[beej67]

*headdesk*

Yes, it does work. If Gailey had his same record at UF, UGA, etc, he would have been out already. Job security at Tech is relatively good.

"Come to coach at Tech because you'll have good job security" = "Come to coach at Tech because you won't get fired for a mediocre season or four." That's what job security means, dude. The very fact that the Tech job used to be good job security is the very thing we would be changing by firing Chan, and we'd be doing it on purpose, because we don't want 4 more mediocre seasons.

Someone else help me out here, I've explained it 8 ways and it's not getting through to Kyle.

I am not arguing that the Tech job is not currently good job security. The Tech job is clearly currently good job security, right now, today, if Chan isn't fired. I am arguing that firing Chan after another bowl trip changes that. I'm not saying that's bad, either, just saying it changes that.

 

[refrigeratormover]

I hope this makes sense so here goes.......

Was talking to a great Tech fan and friend the other day one on one and it grew to about 6 or so.

What we believe and hear me out is. All the coaches in college right now knows what's going on at other places. They have ears all over the place. I think as others is that these coaches know that Tech has had the talent to play better than we have the last couple of years.

I believe they see that Chan is old style NFL, controlling of the offense and as conservative as they get therefore they don't see firing a 7 or 8 win coach as a concern for them to look at Tech.

They are probably thinking as I would if I were a coach, man what could I have done with that program if I were there.

Now, have I confused you guys enough?

PS: One last thing

finsh 3-1 with loss to nad lickers and go to a bowl Chan's gone
finish 3-1 and bowl loss Chan's gone
finish 4-0 Chan stays with major ultimatums.

 

[wesleyd21]

beej, why are you so concerned about "job security" in the first place if the head coach sucks, he gets fired ala Gailey.

6 years is enough. Worse losses ever to Georgie, Clemson, and VPI. the bar has been set low....reeeaaallll low.

Hell, I'd argue that we are one of the best places to find job security in the life of coaching college football!

Demjackets even showed you facts but don't let that get in the way of your crusade. heaven forbid u be wrong about something!

 

[1865Jacket]

I think he has a shot a staying at 3-1 if the loss is a bowl game loss. Not saying I agree w/ it, just saying if he wins out the reg season, I don't see us firing him.

 

[Essobee]

finsh 3-1 with loss to nad lickers and go to a bowl Chan's gone
finish 3-1 and bowl loss Chan's gone
finish 4-0 Chan stays with major ultimatums.

John, I agree with this except for the bowl loss. If it is a narrow loss after scoring lots of points against an impressive team, than I think Chan would likely remain. However, a loss to UGA or a blow-out loss to Podunk U in the bowl and you will be correct.

 

[beej67]

beej, why are you so concerned about "job security" in the first place if the head coach sucks, he gets fired ala Gailey.

Merely refuting Kyle's assertion that job security is a selling point for a Chan replacement. I'm not concerned about it, but Kyle seems to think he can get someone to come replace Chan by telling them their job is secure if they're mediocre.

I agree with 1865 and Esso regarding the Chan Projections.

 

[JTS]

I don't want any coach that is worried about being fired before we have even hired him.

I agree with RM. I think people in the coaching fraternity understand that you can win at GT (see O'Leary and Ross) and that we will be patient with them, but if you screw up Bill Lewis style we will fire you before the end of year 3 just like anywhere else.

I think that if Chan wins out in the regular season he will probably stay. I think that we will make a decision about Chan before the bowl game and use the recruiting dead period in December to find a new HC so we can be ready to get our recruiting house in order after the dead period.

 

[JTS]

Houston Nutt (Arkansas) - 1998
Tommy Bowden (Clemson) - 1999
Mike Leach (Texas Tech) - 2001
Al Groh (UVA) - 2001
Greg Schiano (Rutgers) - 2001
Gary Pinkel (Missouri) - 2001

Edsall and Leavitt didnt join a BCS conference till 2004 and 2005

You got close JTS!!!

All of those coaches with the exception of Schiano have better winning percentages than Gailey since he was hired.

 

[beej67]

No way Al Groh has a better winning %age than we do.

Seriously?

 

[JTS]

Since Gailey was hired:

Groh 45-28 0.6164
Gailey 42-31 0.5753

Groh has won 8 or more games 4 of the past 6 seasons and has only had a losing record once (5-7 in 2006).

Our winning percentage is 8th of 12 in the ACC (ahead of Wake, NC State, UNC, and Duke), 38th of 66 BCS teams, and 49th out of 117 D-IA teams since Gailey arrived.

 

[flushed 01]

That post JTS, should be all Drad needs to make a decision.

 

[beej67]

What about ACC wins?

I'm thinking our OOC schedule has to be leaps and bounds better than UVAs to explain that.