What are the REAL reasons our football program can't compete?

If the goal is play in a half empty stadium then we are well on the way. The bottom half of the SEC is more highly regarded that us right now. So why not explain to me why we are better off because we left the SEC. I'll wait.
MNC, TIAR, Orange Bowls, Conference Championships, etc. None of which would have happened in the glorious sec, certainly considering the lack of support at the very top levels of the school. The last time we met one of those sec lower half teams in a bowl, we embarrassed them.
 
Look, we can keep debating this stuff for as nauseum. But that was almost 60 years ago. You can keep making this argument. But what the hell has the admin done to “rectify” this problem. You need to look at reality. There are not many in decision making positions that really give a crap about Tech athletics. They are way more invested in partnerships with tech companies and nano technology

What has the administration done in the past 60 years? Well for one they got us into the best conference they could (the ACC) with regional ties. There are rumors they tried to get us back in the SEC; but Dodd was such an a-hole to the Mississippi schools that it seems unlikely that will happen. That is part of what the administration has done to try and rectify Dodd's cluster-F. You Dodd guys want us to totally overlook one of the dumbest decisions ever made by a GT AD because Dodd was a good coach and gave you some twisted false sense of superiority. That ethos of not playing to the edge of rule book was yet another boat anchor on the program for decades; but at least the Dodd followers can go to their graves with their false sense of moral superiority.
 
MNC, TIAR, Orange Bowls, Conference Championships, etc. None of which would have happened in the glorious sec, certainly considering the lack of support at the very top levels of the school. The last time we met one of those sec lower half teams in a bowl, we embarrassed them.

Really, based on what exactly? It looked like we were doing pretty good when we were still in the SEC. Do you really think not being the SEC is why we had TIAR? I am not following any string of logic there. "The last time we met one of those sec lower half teams in a bowl", how is that team doing now in comparison to us?

Again, if you can't understand that being the best conference in the nation, that controls the marketing for OUR region would be advantageous to us; then I can't help you.
 
What has the administration done in the past 60 years? Well for one they got us into the best conference they could (the ACC) with regional ties. There are rumors they tried to get us back in the SEC; but Dodd was such an a-hole to the Mississippi schools that it seems unlikely that will happen. That is part of what the administration has done to try and rectify Dodd's cluster-F. You Dodd guys want us to totally overlook one of the dumbest decisions ever made by a GT AD because Dodd was a good coach and gave you some twisted false sense of superiority. That ethos of not playing to the edge of rule book was yet another boat anchor on the program for decades; but at least the Dodd followers can go to their graves with their false sense of moral superiority.
There is no reason to keep going down this road with you. You seem to want to point to one thing and extrapolate how every event would have played out after that. Yeah, I am a Dodd follower. He made mistakes like any one else, but if you will take the time to look at his history and what it did for an academic engineering school, maybe you wouldn’t have such a dim view. Us “old Dodd followers” understand a whole lot more about Southern football history than most
 
There is no reason to keep going down this road with you. You seem to want to point to one thing and extrapolate how every event would have played out after that. Yeah, I am a Dodd follower. He made mistakes like any one else, but if you will take the time to look at his history and what it did for an academic engineering school, maybe you wouldn’t have such a dim view. Us “old Dodd followers” understand a whole lot more about Southern football history than most

And there's the ego that caused the problems, the "old Dodd followers" just understand more than anyone else.
 
And there's the ego that caused the problems, the "old Dodd followers" just understand more than anyone else.
Seriously, how old are you? Do you really understand anything about Tech football in the 50s and 60s? Or are you just looking at the landscape today and imagining how great things could have been?
 
Seriously, how old are you? Do you really understand anything about Tech football in the 50s and 60s? Or are you just looking at the landscape today and imagining how great things could have been?

I am living in the now rather than the 50's and 60's. I can understand how you guys got mesmerized by Dodd 60 years ago; but Dodd put us on a path thinking the 1950's would last forever apparently.

We won a MNC in 1990 in part because Dodd convinced Curry he couldn't win at GT. That is how far College Football passed Dodd by. Dodd didn't understand the college football landscape then and his followers won't acknowledge the reality now.
 
Really, based on what exactly? It looked like we were doing pretty good when we were still in the SEC. Do you really think not being the SEC is why we had TIAR? I am not following any string of logic there. "The last time we met one of those sec lower half teams in a bowl", how is that team doing now in comparison to us?

Again, if you can't understand that being the best conference in the nation, that controls the marketing for OUR region would be advantageous to us; then I can't help you.
I agree, you can't help me, because I don't need you to help me. You have a blind spot imo aeromech, and that is: What do you remember happening in the late 60s? Riiiight. There's your friggin logic. So, you think Miss St. is doing swimmingly? We are certainly doing poorly lately, but it has bumpas to do with us not being in the sec, but rather piss poor coaching and equally poor leadership at the very top of the Admin. The sec would in fact help us marketing wise in the southeast, but just the opposite when it comes to winning---see my first post---if you can't win your conference, then you simply don't get the chance to do the things I listed. You just go ahead and dream about what we are missing by not being Vandy, UK, OM, MSU, Arkansas and others, but I'll pass.
 
I am living in the now rather than the 50's and 60's. I can understand how you guys got mesmerized by Dodd 60 years ago; but Dodd put us on a path thinking the 1950's would last forever apparently.

We won a MNC in 1990 in part because Dodd convinced Curry he couldn't win at GT. That is how far College Football passed Dodd by. Dodd didn't understand the college football landscape then and his followers won't acknowledge the reality now.
So you used a magic ouija board and it told you that had we run Dodd off in the the 60s and hired a savior, Tech would have a half dozen more national titles, the BOR and the eggheads on the hill would have relented and lowered the academics and curriculum, and the best players in the south couldn’t wait to play for Tech? If you really live in “the now”, you may want to look at the impediments Tech has (some self inflicted) in football. I live in the now enough to see those didn’t just arise because of Dodd
 
I agree, you can't help me, because I don't need you to help me. You have a blind spot imo aeromech, and that is: What do you remember happening in the late 60s? Riiiight. There's your friggin logic. So, you think Miss St. is doing swimmingly? We are certainly doing poorly lately, but it has bumpas to do with us not being in the sec, but rather piss poor coaching and equally poor leadership at the very top of the Admin. The sec would in fact help us marketing wise in the southeast, but just the opposite when it comes to winning---see my first post---if you can't win your conference, then you simply don't get the chance to do the things I listed. You just go ahead and dream about what we are missing by not being Vandy, UK, OM, MSU, Arkansas and others, but I'll pass.

I have a blind spot!! Holy freaking cow, you guys can't see past Bobby Dodd; but it's the rest of the football world with a blind spot. What about the 1920's and 30's, oh right, you don't remember those. Mississippi State is doing as well or better than us...from freaking Starksville, MS! If you think the same thing would happen to us in Atlanta you are freaking insane. Geographically we are in prime position (just one of the things CGC is right about); but some guy tried to put us in the Metro Conference as a flailing last attempt to cover his mistake.

Go try and convince one of those lower tier SEC schools they would be better off leaving the SEC and going independent. I would love to watch that argument being made.
 
So you used a magic ouija board and it told you that had we run Dodd off in the the 60s and hired a savior, Tech would have a half dozen more national titles, the BOR and the eggheads on the hill would have relented and lowered the academics and curriculum, and the best players in the south couldn’t wait to play for Tech? If you really live in “the now”, you may want to look at the impediments Tech has (some self inflicted) in football. I live in the now enough to see those didn’t just arise because of Dodd

It would take real effort to screw things up worse than Dodd did as the AD. He never ever should have been given that power and he should have been told to suck it up and play by the new rules in the SEC or leave. He lost the vote, and his little hissy fit was a huge error. Pride cometh before a fall and his ego cost us a bundle.
 
It would take real effort to screw things up worse than Dodd did as the AD. He never ever should have been given that power and he should have been told to suck it up and play by the new rules in the SEC or leave. He lost the vote, and his little hissy fit was a huge error. Pride cometh before a fall and his ego cost us a bundle.
Can I borrow your ouija board? Maybe it will tell me what stocks to buy now!
 
We cannot change 60 year old decisions. I doubt we can change the administration (unfortunately). The only major change that might be possible is to join the Big 10. This would give us significantly more revenue and can be sold to the administration based on academics.
We will never receive an SEC invitation. We are locked into minimal ACC payouts for almost 15 more years due to Swafford's incompetence or worse.
We can hire a better AD and better coaches but their impact will be constrained by our financials. Our financial situation drove the hiring process for our current football coach and last two basketball coaches. And it will drive our next hiring processes.
 
I have a blind spot!! Holy freaking cow, you guys can't see past Bobby Dodd; but it's the rest of the football world with a blind spot. What about the 1920's and 30's, oh right, you don't remember those. Mississippi State is doing as well or better than us...from freaking Starksville, MS! If you think the same thing would happen to us in Atlanta you are freaking insane. Geographically we are in prime position (just one of the things CGC is right about); but some guy tried to put us in the Metro Conference as a flailing last attempt to cover his mistake.

Go try and convince one of those lower tier SEC schools they would be better off leaving the SEC and going independent. I would love to watch that argument being made.
Why do you think the sec recruiting from the late 60s on for the next several decades was better(much better) than most conferences? Why do you think there was, and still is today, a concern about those players coming to Tech compared to going to uga, AU, or Bama? As for convincing those lower tier schools in the sec about leaving, it would depend on what they play the game for, because it sure as hell ain't winning. They are simply whipping boys for 4 or 5 other teams in the sec, but hey, they are well paid for it. It's not about Dodd, but rather about societal realities and lack of commitment at the very top of Tech. You and Paul Finnebaum can just go ahead and continue to worship at the foot of the sec cross.
 
which was later provided to researchers at Georgia Tech.

This came from a news article about DNS traffic from Donald Trumps Whitehouse.

This is the reason we can’t ….

The genie is out of the bottle
 
Why do you think the sec recruiting from the late 60s on for the next several decades was better(much better) than most conferences?

Because this region is a football recruiting hotbed; but we positioned ourselves to act as an outsider within our own region by turning our back on the southeastern conference.

Why do you think there was, and still is today, a concern about those players coming to Tech compared to going to uga, AU, or Bama?

Because those top recruits want to play in the top football conference, the SEC, to enhance their ability to get to the NFL.

As for convincing those lower tier schools in the sec about leaving, it would depend on what they play the game for, because it sure as hell ain't winning. They are simply whipping boys for 4 or 5 other teams in the sec, but hey, they are well paid for it.

Go ask South Carolina if they want to rejoin the ACC, go ask Maryland. Why do you think there is so much fear that Clemson or FSU will leave the ACC; but no fear that Vandy or Kentucky will leave the SEC.

It's not about Dodd, but rather about societal realities and lack of commitment at the very top of Tech. You and Paul Finnebaum can just go ahead and continue to worship at the foot of the sec cross.

That's mighty bold talk from the worshippers of Bobby Dodd. Honestly having any kind of discussion about Dodd with you reminds me of dealing with a cult member. Your post even reeks of the subtle 'Georgia Tech does it the right way', 'the right way' of course being defined by Bobby Dodd. Dodd thought we could be the Notre Dame of the south, Dodd just didn't have as many followers as Jesus did unfortunately.
 
Because this region is a football recruiting hotbed; but we positioned ourselves to act as an outsider within our own region by turning our back on the southeastern conference.



Because those top recruits want to play in the top football conference, the SEC, to enhance their ability to get to the NFL.



Go ask South Carolina if they want to rejoin the ACC, go ask Maryland. Why do you think there is so much fear that Clemson or FSU will leave the ACC; but no fear that Vandy or Kentucky will leave the SEC.



That's mighty bold talk from the worshippers of Bobby Dodd. Honestly having any kind of discussion about Dodd with you reminds me of dealing with a cult member. Your post even reeks of the subtle 'Georgia Tech does it the right way', 'the right way' of course being defined by Bobby Dodd. Dodd thought we could be the Notre Dame of the south, Dodd just didn't have as many followers as Jesus did unfortunately.
This is the last statement I will make on this topic. You can keep up calling us what you want. Yes, the SEC is the best league in college football today. And I don’t think anyone on here worships Dodd, they just have appreciation for what he accomplished. You can continue to be boiling mad about Tech leaving the SEC in 1963, that is your right.
All I have said is you need to understand more that you do about what was going on in that time.
 
Because this region is a football recruiting hotbed; but we positioned ourselves to act as an outsider within our own region by turning our back on the southeastern conference.



Because those top recruits want to play in the top football conference, the SEC, to enhance their ability to get to the NFL.



Go ask South Carolina if they want to rejoin the ACC, go ask Maryland. Why do you think there is so much fear that Clemson or FSU will leave the ACC; but no fear that Vandy or Kentucky will leave the SEC.



That's mighty bold talk from the worshippers of Bobby Dodd. Honestly having any kind of discussion about Dodd with you reminds me of dealing with a cult member. Your post even reeks of the subtle 'Georgia Tech does it the right way', 'the right way' of course being defined by Bobby Dodd. Dodd thought we could be the Notre Dame of the south, Dodd just didn't have as many followers as Jesus did unfortunately.
aeromech, do yourself a favor and have a trusted friend read your first 2 answers to my post. They will, assuming they have the guts, explain to you how utterly clueless you are to what I posted. Seriously, go for it, and no reply expected. Actually maybe somebody on here will pm you what I was talking about.
 
In 1980 we won 1 game. Ten years later we got one of these:
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The CFB landscape has changed considerably, so I can't really expect us to replicate those results. But competitive teams in the ACC isn't too much to expect. But we will need to see a change in priorities from everyone who is a stakeholder in our success: President Cabrera, AD Stansbury, coaches, staff, fans, and the GT community at large. We need to all pull together because we don't have the resources to compete otherwise. The onus is currently on Stansbury and Collins to show we're ready to step up, and convince the others in can be done.
 
It would take real effort to screw things up worse than Dodd did as the AD. He never ever should have been given that power and he should have been told to suck it up and play by the new rules in the SEC or leave. He lost the vote, and his little hissy fit was a huge error. Pride cometh before a fall and his ego cost us a bundle.
I'm a big fan of this take. Ultimately, Dodd was a Tennessee redneck and should generally be treated as such. If Tech football has any hope whatsoever, it has to throw off all shackles and go into full YOLO mode. Some goober who threw us into the wilderness shouldn't necessarily be celebrated.
 
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