What are the REAL reasons our football program can't compete?

gtleviathan said:
Anyone know how long this debt service is going to last? I assume it's been refinanced over the years.
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I dunno. I remember there were some balloon payments coming up, but not sure if that happened or they put it off again.
 
smokey_wasp said:
I dunno. I remember there were some balloon payments coming up, but not sure if that happened or they put it off again.
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We were supposed to have refinanced those last fall. If we failed, standby for another kick in the nutsack.

Unfortunately, access to the data is not easy nor timely. I’m guessing we got it done. We were in the last phases when I last heard someone talking about it.
 
The Jacket said:
Not sure I follow. What is the under-the-radar benefit and why aren't we exploiting it from our entrenchment deep in the basement under the radar?
Should happen, never will.
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We are off the national radar, but we have plenty of visibility in the state as the team that loses to their in-state and regional rivals year in and year out. Not having that sort of head to head confirmation is a benefit to Cincy
 
Buffalobuzz said:
If Cincinnati can afford $5M/Yr, we either can and are too cheap or are seriously mismanaging our finances. Watching a mid major team show more commitment to their program than our P5 team with great history is just as frustrating as attending Tech in itself.

www.espn.com

Cincinnati's Fickell agrees to $5M-per-year deal

Cincinnati coach Luke Fickell has agreed to a new contract through 2028 that will pay him $5 million per year, and the school is expected to up the football staff salary pool.
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Not another one of these losers.
 
Buffalobuzz said:
Really? That’s your response? I would be offended but seeing you have about 32,000 posts, I really don’t think I need to respond
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Good, cause there’s nothing you can say that some other idiot hasn’t already said.
 
Football is changing.. Geoff Collins is a lesser version of Dabo.

We need to make a run at Coach Prime.
 
Cincinnati is no longer a GoF school at this point, just like UCF, BYU and Houston. The fact they are willing to pay their coach that much is a reflection of their increased financial profile so you cant say "if a GoF can do it, so can we" comparison. However, even if they were not changing conferences, Cincy has 46K students combined a lot of success in the past 10+ years. They are little brother to tOSU but they found their niche by getting better players than us, not by giving up and running the triple option. Unfortunately for us, we cant get the same players as them because we have the ever present limited athlete friendly classes to deal with.
 
GTWannaBee said:
This is exactly the reason uga is so successful. Their fans don’t base their financial support of the program on whether or not they think a game is winnable. They pay their money, go to the games, and root for the team no matter what - purely emotionally driven.
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This is true and a big part of sustained success. We desperately need something equivalent to IPTAY in addition to big donors. I think we also have to admit that in our fantbase we have a bunch of fair weather fans who rationalize it as an "investment".
 
The mission statements for the school and AA are incompatible because they are the same---compete at the highest levels---not going to happen. Very few programs have the gap we do between regular students and football players, in spite of the fact that the players are far from the bottom academically vs their peers. Cabrera is not tied to both mission statements. Imagine a President of an sec school that is usually in the upper half of the conference going 3-9 three consecutive years! You'd find him in the unemployment line. Whether they should be tied to both mission statements, is a completely diff discussion that will have about as much agreement as a shade of gold thread. In summary, we don't care as much as most or all top 25 teams, and the ones that do are dying off rapidly (some of them earlier due to NIL/TP shock).
 
The things I would attack to try to improve things would include:
1. Reward loyalty. Go back to seat assignment based on AT points. Consecutive years with season tickets is a big point factor. If seating is based on points, you will not be as likely to opt out during a downturn. You can still charge a Tech fund minimum donation to sit in certain sections. Why not just have a Tech Fund, rather than separating it from AT.
2. Improve the game day experience. Try to find more on campus parking available for better tailgating. The parking decks East of the downtown connector are not ideal. Add as many chair seats in the stadium as you can afford. Re-number bleachers for less seats but with more space. Seating is too tight and uncomfortable on a full day. Make concessions, video and audio, scores from other games, etc. truly state of the art while keeping traditions. Don’t buy into hyping the atmosphere by simply making everything loud.
3. Have a young grad program, from graduation through the first five years. Discount season tickets for them and do not require more than an introductory $100 per year to the AT Fund. At the end of the five years let them have a decent number of points earned to move them into full paying status as a season ticket holder.
4. Market single game tickets to grads who are not season ticket holders, especially to those who are contributors to AT. Work on getting more Tech fans buying single game tickets into the stadium.
5. Rethink the Club Section. Taking the center of your lower deck East for a section that continually has empty seats is a bad plan.

Of course, the product on the field must be decent. Saying Georgia fans buy tickets without regard to whether or not they have a high chance of winning is not altogether true. Look at their home winning percentage over the past thirty years. I believe they have a reasonable expectation of winning when they buy their tickets.
 
covingtonjacket said:
This is true and a big part of sustained success. We desperately need something equivalent to IPTAY in addition to big donors. I think we also have to admit that in our fantbase we have a bunch of fair weather fans who rationalize it as an "investment".
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We had something like that not too long ago. There were various levels you could attain based upon how much you gave. I forget what all the levels were but if I remember correctly a few were Stinger Circle, Dodd Circle, Heisman Circle, etc. You got a yearly sticker for your car. Of course the higher you went, the more 'benefits' you were afforded. Hated to see them get rid of that program.
 
An engineering school that is academically rigorous and a very high percentage of out of state out of country enrollment? Oh… and mostly male student body.

that’s not a recipe for success in football.
 
DinnerJacket said:
We had something like that not too long ago. There were various levels you could attain based upon how much you gave. I forget what all the levels were but if I remember correctly a few were Stinger Circle, Dodd Circle, Heisman Circle, etc. You got a yearly sticker for your car. Of course the higher you went, the more 'benefits' you were afforded. Hated to see them get rid of that program.
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We still have this. Frankly I don't understand why everyone drools over IPTAY when we have a very similar program that people just don't donate to. If someone could point out the difference I would appreciate it.
 
gtg970g said:
We still have this. Frankly I don't understand why everyone drools over IPTAY when we have a very similar program that people just don't donate to. If someone could point out the difference I would appreciate it.
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Just guessing here, but the IPTAY deal was aimed at large numbers of very small contributions. You clearly have to have both-- lots of small donors and a few major donors.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
An engineering school that is academically rigorous and a very high percentage of out of state out of country enrollment? Oh… and mostly male student body.

that’s not a recipe for success in football.
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The scenery on campus is massively different than it used to be. It may be the same gross tonnage overall, but the item count is definitely much higher.
 
The link below is to a podcast by a former Tech track start. It doesn't directly relate to the topic of this thread, but it does relate at least indirectly, because in it, he talks about the way things once were at Tech and the way that he, as now a Tech employee/consultant, thinks they still can be. He talks some about NIL and its good and bad potential. But overall, he just relates an intense love for Tech. We need more men like him.

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