Who can we beat on the rest of our schedule

[johncu]

Top 25 is unrealistic. I dont even want to look at rankings to judge it's quality. I just want to see who we are competing with for our recruits. In the last several years of CPJ's tenure here, we competed mostly against non-power 5 teams for our recruits.

Fake news. Take a look at the offers from our defensive starters:
Swilling: Bama, LSU, Michigan, etc.
Walton: Vandy only P5 offer
J. Thomas: Florida, Auburn, Miss St, etc.
Carpenter: UCF was best offer
Curry: Stole him from UVA
C. Thomas: Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Oliver: USCe, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Dawson: WVU, Kentucky, Purdue etc.
Owens: NC St, Miss St, Kentucky etc.
Martin: Kentucky, BC
Chimedza: FSU, UGA, Oregon, etc.

Several impressive offer lists, and the only guy who didn't have another P5 offer is probably one of our best players. The FCS talent meme is a lie, especially on the defensive side of the ball. We're definitely recruiting better now, but our recruiting wasn't terrible before. It was mediocre, but as good or better than every team we've played so far except Clemson.

 

[Ed Sawyer]

Regarding Temple, last I saw was they are 5-1, 2 of their wins coming against Top 25 teams at the time. Someone was partially responsible for getting Temple's talent level to a point where they had the talent to defeat those ranked foes.

This is such a stupid ööööing line of argument. It's like saying Ron Zook is responsible for Florida's 2006 championship. If Temple wins 10 games this season, it'll be the third time in five years with double digit victories and Geoff's two seasons would be the ones where they didn't. But we're supposed to believe Geoff is this great coach because some other coaching staff is the one actually winning the games? Get the öööö out of here with that nonsense.

 

[Wreck Em]

Idk who but we can beat anyone. We could lose to anyone. 1st half team from USF shows up and we snag a few more.

 

[Vespidie]

This is such a stupid ööööing line of argument. It's like saying Ron Zook is responsible for Florida's 2006 championship. If Temple wins 10 games this season, it'll be the third time in five years with double digit victories and Geoff's two seasons would be the ones where they didn't. But we're supposed to believe Geoff is this great coach because some other coaching staff is the one actually winning the games? Get the öööö out of here with that nonsense.

Did you see that racoon ööööing a deer?

 

[gtchief]

Did you see that racoon ööööing a deer?

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[BrentwoodJacket]

Fake news. Take a look at the offers from our defensive starters:
Swilling: Bama, LSU, Michigan, etc.
Walton: Vandy only P5 offer
J. Thomas: Florida, Auburn, Miss St, etc.
Carpenter: UCF was best offer
Curry: Stole him from UVA
C. Thomas: Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Oliver: USCe, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Dawson: WVU, Kentucky, Purdue etc.
Owens: NC St, Miss St, Kentucky etc.
Martin: Kentucky, BC
Chimedza: FSU, UGA, Oregon, etc.

Several impressive offer lists, and the only guy who didn't have another P5 offer is probably one of our best players. The FCS talent meme is a lie, especially on the defensive side of the ball. We're definitely recruiting better now, but our recruiting wasn't terrible before. It was mediocre, but as good or better than every team we've played so far except Clemson.

Only two of those listed are on the defensive line. If you ranked recruiting classes based solely on DL and OL, I suspect we have been at the bottom of the P5 for a long time.

 

[BainbridgeJacket]

Fake news. Take a look at the offers from our defensive starters:
Swilling: Bama, LSU, Michigan, etc.
Walton: Vandy only P5 offer
J. Thomas: Florida, Auburn, Miss St, etc.
Carpenter: UCF was best offer
Curry: Stole him from UVA
C. Thomas: Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Oliver: USCe, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Dawson: WVU, Kentucky, Purdue etc.
Owens: NC St, Miss St, Kentucky etc.
Martin: Kentucky, BC
Chimedza: FSU, UGA, Oregon, etc.

Several impressive offer lists, and the only guy who didn't have another P5 offer is probably one of our best players. The FCS talent meme is a lie, especially on the defensive side of the ball. We're definitely recruiting better now, but our recruiting wasn't terrible before. It was mediocre, but as good or better than every team we've played so far except Clemson.

Care to list their class and the offer lists of their backups? What I find particularly curious is why the defense has been so consistently bad for so long with so many different coaches. I can only speculate.

 

[aeromech]

Except you still need a competent QB, competent receivers and an OL that can effectively pass block. I see none of these elements. I do agree coaching doesn't seem to adapt well to the talent we do have but that would probably involve running the veer again.

Anyway, we can argue this until we're blue in the face and never agree. My point is if this were so easy to transition from TO to standard offense, then why did every football analyst in the nation pick us to be horrible this year? The answer is because it is an extremely hard and ugly transition. Anybody who can't forgive this year is just too much of a PJ homer.

Though Johnson had a fruitful 11-year run on The Flats, Georgia Tech fans have embraced both the stylistic change and the high-energy approach of Collins, who is well positioned to elevate the level of recruiting from the previous regime. It's no secret that moving away from the option will present some initial challenges as the roster turns over, but Collins and his staff have tried to be resourceful in getting "a 360-degree view of every player on our roster" to see how they can contribute in a new system. If he can get Georgia Tech to a bowl game in Year 1, that effort will be considered a big success.

National Ranking: 75

https://athlonsports.com/college-fo...otball-yellow-jackets-prediction-preview-2019

A 75 ranking and a possible bowl sounds bad; but not horrible. BC is currently 75 and we are at 105.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-football-top-130-team-rankings-2019

 

[aeromech]

Care to list their class and the offer lists of their backups? What I find particularly curious is why the defense has been so consistently bad for so long with so many different coaches. I can only speculate.

Well, the argument used to be that they were practicing against the Triple Option and that was why they were so bad; but now they practice against a pro-style offense so...

 

[BainbridgeJacket]

Well, the argument used to be that they were practicing against the Triple Option and that was why they were so bad; but now they practice against a pro-style offense so...

Well, if it's not the offense they're practicing against and it's not the recruiting (I disagree on this point), then it must be player development which it would be unrealistic to expect tremendous gains over a single offseason.

 

[gtchief]

Well, if it's not the offense they're practicing against and it's not the recruiting (I disagree on this point), then it must be player development which it would be unrealistic to expect tremendous gains over a single offseason.

You weren't expecting the '85 Bears after nine WHOLE months to practice?

 

[johncu]

Only two of those listed are on the defensive line. If you ranked recruiting classes based solely on DL and OL, I suspect we have been at the bottom of the P5 for a long time.

Our OL and DL recruiting is definitely weaker, and it certainly doesn't help that we lost our best players on both lines before the season even started.

That being said, I was responding to a post that said we mostly recruited against non-P5 teams. That's crap. Sure, we certainly recruited some players that went unnoticed by P5 schools but most of our players had other P5 offers, especially on defense.

 

[DressCheeseSideSeaboard]

Who can we beat?

Who will we beat?

 

[beej67]

I just see a pattern here with GTAA contracting/hiring decisions. Feel free to correct me...maybe I'm missing something. Maybe the arms race drives schools to do stupid things, who knows.

I wouldn't take the GT job without a long contract in any sport, because I know its fundamentally harder to recruit here, and I know I'll probably get fired when I don't perform as well as all the surrounding schools that don't have our disadvantages.

Unless, that is, I was some kind of coaching Xs and Os genius who could overcome the talent disparity with a system gimmick and had experience coaching at schools with a similar talent gap. We should probably be looking for someone like that.

 

[GoGATech]

Lets be honest It takes some pretty bad coaching to take a bowl team and turn around and lose to an 0-2 FCS program. The only conclusion from this season thus far is that the coaching staff, and especially coach Collins, are not yet up to this job. They may grow into it. This is what worried me from day one about Coach Collins and all the social media hype. He’s had two seasons as a HC and let’s be honest, there isn’t much track record there (it’s Temple!) so the hyperbole always felt forced and compensating for a lack of substance. Now he has to turn it down, get to basics and try to build credibility. I’m not optimistic. The sales pitch was the hype would lead to better talent, but who’s hyped to come hear now, and what if we win 0-1 more from here on?

Final thoughts... you wanna change the culture? JUST WIN BABY! That being said what I am watching is awful coaching performance week in and week out. No one expected GT to be that good ( 3-4 wins) But the Jackets aren't getting any better. Each time GT seems to move forward in one area it regresses in another.

Todays game featured incremental steps forward for Tech followed by major steps back. It’s been that way all season. Poor Coaching.....Plain and Simple! For example against The Citadel a SA mentioned having a bad week of practice....Having a bad week of practice (The Citadel Game) when you haven’t played 5 minutes of good football yet is inexcusable. Lack of discipline, bad clock management, questionable personnel decisions, and an inattention to detail at a level that we haven’t seen in over a decade.

Georgia Tech needs a coach not a hype man with his ridiculous ABOVE THE LINE junk! What kind of millennial "everyone gets a trophy" crap it that? The offense looks lost (Even with JG starting two straight games) and the defense looked confused and its all because there's different guys on both sides of the ball for each and every down. There is no consistency from one week to another with this ATL bull and it makes it difficult for the players to grow together with a revolving door at each position. Don't try to reinvent the wheel. I've never seen a team with show so much lack of discipline.

 

[GTRules]

I wouldn't take the GT job without a long contract in any sport, because I know its fundamentally harder to recruit here, and I know I'll probably get fired when I don't perform as well as all the surrounding schools that don't have our disadvantages.

Unless, that is, I was some kind of coaching Xs and Os genius who could overcome the talent disparity with a system gimmick and had experience coaching at schools with a similar talent gap. We should probably be looking for someone like that.

 

[GoGATech]

OTOH, our defense that is at least as talented as Duke's offense, got abused. That's got nothing to do with the option. We got outcoached all day.

Fake news.

I'll agree our red-zone and short yardage defense needs some work, but that will come when we get more experience and depth on the DL. But let's see how "out-coached" we got:

1st drive: Duke completes a ridiculous 42 yard pass that was well covered and contested. Defense still manages to hold Duke to a FG.

2nd drive: Gave duke great field position to start (after we overthrew a wide open Oliver for a TD) and forced them into a 4th down situation but they converted and eventually scored.

3rd drive: Once again gave them short field and they completed another ridiculously contested pass for 41 yards. Duke had 1st and goal to go and they eventually scored but we forced them into 4th down before they did.

4th drive: Finally got a good punt and made them drive the length of the field, but then a costly targeting penalty aided them for 15 yards. Couple plays later a missed tackle by LB and no safety help for a big run up the middle to the 1 yard line.

5th drive: Short field after we turn it over on downs on our own 31 yard line, also aided by a 15 yard penalty.

Then the blocked punt for TD.

Duke just made more plays than we did in the first half. That's not getting outcoached on D. After our 1st drive and the TD, our offense averaged 3.6 plays and 1:18 of clock per drive until the last drive where we scored another TD. That drive was still only 6 plays and 2:02 of possession. Our defense never got a chance to get a breather in the first half. And you mentioned our defense being as talented as Dukes offense, sure we have some talented recruits, but they are young and none have much real game experience. Let's also look at our LB core:

David Curry - played safety in HS
Bruce Jordan-Swilling - played RB in HS
Demetrius Knight - played QB in HS
Charlie Thomas - played safety in HS
Quez Jackson - is the only true LB on the roster getting snaps

 

[GoGATech]

Fake news. Take a look at the offers from our defensive starters:
Swilling: Bama, LSU, Michigan, etc.
Walton: Vandy only P5 offer
J. Thomas: Florida, Auburn, Miss St, etc.
Carpenter: UCF was best offer
Curry: Stole him from UVA
C. Thomas: Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Oliver: USCe, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Dawson: WVU, Kentucky, Purdue etc.
Owens: NC St, Miss St, Kentucky etc.
Martin: Kentucky, BC
Chimedza: FSU, UGA, Oregon, etc.

Several impressive offer lists, and the only guy who didn't have another P5 offer is probably one of our best players. The FCS talent meme is a lie, especially on the defensive side of the ball. We're definitely recruiting better now, but our recruiting wasn't terrible before. It was mediocre, but as good or better than every team we've played so far except Clemson.

Offer lists generally don't mean squat. How many of those offers were commitable? I'd wager less than 3/4.

 

[knoxjacket]

Fake news. Take a look at the offers from our defensive starters:
Swilling: Bama, LSU, Michigan, etc.
Walton: Vandy only P5 offer
J. Thomas: Florida, Auburn, Miss St, etc.
Carpenter: UCF was best offer
Curry: Stole him from UVA
C. Thomas: Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Oliver: USCe, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc.
Dawson: WVU, Kentucky, Purdue etc.
Owens: NC St, Miss St, Kentucky etc.
Martin: Kentucky, BC
Chimedza: FSU, UGA, Oregon, etc.

Several impressive offer lists, and the only guy who didn't have another P5 offer is probably one of our best players. The FCS talent meme is a lie, especially on the defensive side of the ball. We're definitely recruiting better now, but our recruiting wasn't terrible before. It was mediocre, but as good or better than every team we've played so far except Clemson.

No offense but if those guys (outside the Swillings) really had some of those offers they wouldn’t be here.

 

[GTsapper]

This is such a stupid ööööing line of argument. It's like saying Ron Zook is responsible for Florida's 2006 championship. If Temple wins 10 games this season, it'll be the third time in five years with double digit victories and Geoff's two seasons would be the ones where they didn't. But we're supposed to believe Geoff is this great coach because some other coaching staff is the one actually winning the games? Get the öööö out of here with that nonsense.

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