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originalwombat said:
The same AD that ultimately hired Saban at Bama went thru Francione, Price, and Shula first. As has been mentioned, Stans has gotten money flowing again. Somehow. If we shut that off bc of his first hire, we deserve what we get next.
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The problem here is that we are not Alabama.
 
aeromech said:
The reason you don't understand is because there is no contingent of people I am aware of wanting to bring back the 30; but there are a bunch of guys tired of the whining from CGC defenders still complaining that the 30 is what is causing all the problems going into season 4.

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You have this ass-backwards. There are most definitely people on here, in this thread even, arguing that the 3O was better. I don't see any CGC defenders saying that the problem in year 4 is the 3O. Sure taking this much time time to build the roster was mainly due to the 3O roster we had when they arrived, but I think anybody will tell you that last year's results were not acceptable and that is on the current staff. They made some changes so we will see if they work or not.

And the reason I made the statement about the ACC championships, Orange bowls etc. is because people were arguing IN THIS THREAD that the option works and is fine because it got us there. The key word is GOT. It wouldn't GET us there any more going forward.
 
originalwombat said:
Collins inherited a team with exactly two players that received post-season honors in 2018: Parker Braun and Pressley Harvin. That includes the "Honorable Mention" category.

The only position groups going into 2019 that would have been considered "good" or "average" were RB and DB. Everything else was "below avg."
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Well now we are just "good" or "average" at RB and DB is below average, so it sounds like we've downgraded.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
I don’t understand the fascination with the TO. People have short memories. We had a guy name Friedgen who scored lots and lots of points using a NFL style offense. Some of you act as if the only success Georgia Tech ever had was under Paul Johnson.
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And you act as though you are unaware that Friedgen incorporated option into his offense. Curry ran a more traditional NFL style offense FWIW.
 
7.5 wins is respectable. It's not something to aspire to but it is at least respectable. Seven wins was the ceiling for Gailey. CPJ had a wider spread with some great years and one bad year. So for now, CGC's ceiling appears to be three wins. Yeah that f****** sucks. Let's keep beating that dead horse that it is CPJ's fault.
 
aeromech said:
And you act as though you are unaware that Friedgen incorporated option into his offense. Curry ran a more traditional NFL style offense FWIW.
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Everybody incorporates option, including in the NFL. When we are talking about CPJ's offense, we are talking about a very specific thing.
 
GoGATech said:
I don't see any CGC defenders saying that the problem in year 4 is the 3O.
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To paraphrase CGC, if you can't see that you don't want to.

And the reason I made the statement about the ACC championships, Orange bowls etc. is because people were arguing IN THIS THREAD that the option works and is fine because it got us there. The key word is GOT. It wouldn't GET us there any more going forward.
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You have no proof that it couldn't still do that, and it sounds absolutely moronic to complain that an offense that had done those things for us in recent history was suddenly and unequivocally never going to do them again so we should have definitely gotten rid of it for the ööööshow we have now that, never mind not competing for Orange Bowls or ACC championships or beating good teams, struggles to beat even the öööötiest bottom tier teams we play.
 
OmnipoTech said:
Well now we are just "good" or "average" at RB and DB is below average, so it sounds like we've downgraded.
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I'm inclined to say the talent is better but the coaching has been worse - across the board.

I think Collins will end up being the sacrificial lamb here. It would have taken an excellent, maybe once-every-twenty years coach to take the talent from CPJ, introduce a new system, deal with a pandemic, and produce a winning team in three years. Collins just ain't that guy. Doesn't mean he can't have a decent career, but it takes a special coach to pull that off. Maybe the answer is that Collins needs more than three years. I guess we will find out.
 
OmnipoTech said:
To paraphrase CGC, if you can't see that you don't want to.

You have no proof that it couldn't still do that, and it sounds absolutely moronic to complain that an offense that had done those things for us in recent history was suddenly and unequivocally never going to do them again so we should have definitely gotten rid of it for the ööööshow we have now that, never mind not competing for Orange Bowls or ACC championships or beating good teams, struggles to beat even the öööötiest bottom tier teams we play.
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2017 against Clemson and UGAg we had 230 yards of total offense. We scored one TD against UGA early and one against Clemson in trash time. Our offense was basically non-existent. That same year a 7-6 Duke team put up 500 yards of offense and 43 points on us.

2018 UGA game was 45-7 in the 3rd quarter. We had a KO return by Juanyeh and pretty much no offense in that game until trash time again we scored twice more. Again 219 total yards. Clemson game was 42-7 until about a minute left in the 3rd quarter. Scored late there and another time late in the 4th. 203 total yards. Lost to Duke again that year and only scored 14.

It was getting worse. Top teams were manhandling us, mid tier teams were building a lot more talent than us and beating us more often. Bottom teams started beating us some too. Don't know how anybody could watch and not see that. I was a fan of the 3O by the way and CPJ. It was time to change though.
 
GoGATech said:
2017 against Clemson and UGAg we had 230 yards of total offense. We scored one TD against UGA early and one against Clemson in trash time. Our offense was basically non-existent. That same year a 7-6 Duke team put up 500 yards of offense and 43 points on us.

2018 UGA game was 45-7 in the 3rd quarter. We had a KO return by Juanyeh and pretty much no offense in that game until trash time again we scored twice more. Again 219 total yards. Clemson game was 42-7 until about a minute left in the 3rd quarter. Scored late there and another time late in the 4th. 203 total yards. Lost to Duke again that year and only scored 14.

It was getting worse. Top teams were manhandling us, mid tier teams were building a lot more talent than us and beating us more often. Bottom teams started beating us some too. Don't know how anybody could watch and not see that. I was a fan of the 3O by the way and CPJ. It was time to change though.
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CPJ gave us some great wins and seasons. And some I'd like to forget.

2008-09 was great, but it was disappointing that we didn't cash in on our newfound notoriety and success. Six of the next nine years kinda sucked and were very Gaileyian.
 
GoGATech said:
You have this ass-backwards. There are most definitely people on here, in this thread even, arguing that the 3O was better. I don't see any CGC defenders saying that the problem in year 4 is the 3O. Sure taking this much time time to build the roster was mainly due to the 3O roster we had when they arrived, but I think anybody will tell you that last year's results were not acceptable and that is on the current staff. They made some changes so we will see if they work or not.

And the reason I made the statement about the ACC championships, Orange bowls etc. is because people were arguing IN THIS THREAD that the option works and is fine because it got us there. The key word is GOT. It wouldn't GET us there any more going forward.
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There isn't an argument that the 3-0 was better.... it's a statement of fact that the 3-0 IS better than what we have produced the last 3 years.

You can not change anyone's mind because your evidence doesn't support your case.

Now, can a pro style offense produce better than the 3-0 with a good coach and the right other pieces? Sure it can, but up to this point we are standing with our junk in our hand because we traded what we had for this pile of manure we currently have.

When the results come in your favor, then you can make a stand, but otherwise, anyone arguing the 3-0 was holding us back looks full on idiot until the new system gives us anything worth talking about.
 
gambler said:
There isn't an argument that the 3-0 was better.... it's a statement of fact that the 3-0 IS better than what we have produced the last 3 years.
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WGAF? We aren't going back to it. EVER.

You can not change anyone's mind because your evidence doesn't support your case.

Now, can a pro style offense produce better than the 3-0 with a good coach and the right other pieces? Sure it can, but up to this point we are standing with our junk in our hand because we traded what we had for this pile of manure we currently have.

When the results come in your favor, then you can make a stand, but otherwise, anyone arguing the 3-0 was holding us back looks full on idiot until the new system gives us anything worth talking about.
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We traded nothing in. Your boy PJ up and quit on us.
 
OmnipoTech said:
And you've been a sourpuss ever since, so might as well ööööoff since only a Natty will make you happy.
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No, I loved the Fridge years. I'd rather beat the mutts 3 IAR than lose to 'em and lose in the Orange Bowl too. Watching a robbed-Heisman candidate was special too.
 
GoGATech said:
I don't understand why all these threads end up 3O guys vs. everybody else but here's the thing about the 3O. Sure it won us some big games and gave us some good seasons, but the landscape of college football has changed immensely in the last 5-7 years. The 3O was able to hide the sub-par recruiting for a while, but that was not the case anymore and we were falling further each year. If we had kept going at the rate we were, we wouldn't be competing for any more ACC championships, playing in any more Orange bowls, or beating any top teams. Sure we did in the past but if you couldn't see the direction it was heading then your head was in the sand. Just because the current coach hasn't gotten it together yet doesn't mean that the 3O was the key. We needed change. CGC may not ever get it together but the option wasn't going to cut it anymore either. CGC didn't kill the program because if a change has to be made this offseason, the next guy will have an easier time of it because he will be left with roster more resembling other P5 teams than this group received.
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Army won 9 games each of the last 2 years, and won 11 games in 2018. College football has sure moved past the 3/o.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
I don’t understand the fascination with the TO. People have short memories. We had a guy name Friedgen who scored lots and lots of points using a NFL style offense. Some of you act as if the only success Georgia Tech ever had was under Paul Johnson.
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Didn't friedgen run a bunch of option? I seem to remember goose running it quite a bit. I'd be happy with a friedgen style playbook, but an option based offense is the last thing that was successful here so it has high relevance to what can work here.
 
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