Confirmed: ND to make a deal with ACC. 5 FB games/year, full member in others

cajunjacket said:
The only ACC bowl that I care about outside of the Orange is the CFA, and we have only been there 2 times in the past 30+ years. I don't see ND affecting our bowl selection much. If it's not CFA or Orange, they're all the same.

Reminder of our bowl games:
Orange
CFA
Russell Athletic
Sun
Belk
Music City
Independence
Military
Kraft Fight Hunger
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Sounds like a list of booths at the mall.
 
cajunjacket said:
I've been hoping and wishing for Music City the past few years, but we can never land it.
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Aim high! jk, I know what you're saying. It would be nice to land in the MC bowl on one of those years that we're a MC Bowl level team
 
vapspwi said:
I hate ND specifically because of all the special treatment they receive, in everything from bowl tie-ins to the BCS to licensing to TV deals. It makes me sick that the ACC is perpetuating the preferential treatment that this perpetually overrated and borderline irrelevant football program receives.

The part of the ESPN story that concerns me the most is the bowl stuff:


"Notre Dame also will have access to the Orange Bowl and the ACC's non-BCS bowl tie-ins. The Fighting Irish have played in the Sun Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl over the last two seasons under coach Brian Kelly."

So ND isn't actually playing in the ACC, but apparently they can take our AQ bid to the Orange Bowl if the math works out right? And now we're all competing against ND for bowl tie-ins? That's nothing but bad for a team like GT that struggles with getting the bowl shaft anyway. (Of our tie-ins, the Peach, Charlotte, and Nashville bowls don't seem to want us, and we really don't particularly want the Shreveport or El Paso bowls. But now we've been knocked down one more slot in the pecking order by Notre Frickin' Dame. That really sucks.

This other quote from the ESPN article bugs me, too:

"The ACC in turn cements a relationship with one of the nation's most storied football programs, adding to a group that already includes Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech and Clemson. That would also seem to position the ACC as the easy choice if Notre Dame ever decides to give up its football independence."

Since when is VPI (trophy case: still empty) a "storied football program"? For that matter, what's Miami historically or recently, outside of their cocaine-and-cheating-fueled blip in the 80/90s? WTF?

JRjr
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They can't take the BCS AQ tie-in. They aren't an official ACC member in football.
 
Legal Jacket said:
This^^. We wouldn't have lost the Gator Bowl if we had ND. I see this move, along with adding syracuse and pitt, as increasing the likelihood we will add back the marquee bowl we lost in the gator bowl. It just adds another marquee name which will help us sell the prospect of adding a quality bowl game.
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Yep, the ACC doesn't even have a Jan 1st bowl
 
Legal Jacket said:
This^^. We wouldn't have lost the Gator Bowl if we had ND. I see this move, along with adding syracuse and pitt, as increasing the likelihood we will add back the marquee bowl we lost in the gator bowl. It just adds another marquee name which will help us sell the prospect of adding a quality bowl game.
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The Gator is no longer marquee. It is break even with the Artist formerly known as the Citrus Bowl. It is at the top of the middle tier.

1) Orange: $17.5m
2) Chikun: $3.967m
Gator: $2.5m
3) Russell: $2.3m
4) Sun: $2.05m
5) Belk: $1.6m
6) Music City: $1.7m
7) Shreveport? Really? $1.1m
8) Military Bowl: $1m
9) A baseball stadium? Really? $0.75m

Obviously bowls #7 and #9 need to effin' go. But we need to work with #3, #4, #5, #6, and #8 to grow them and get their payout up. They are good bowls in good locations.
 
Legal Jacket said:
Not clear. It's 27 months currently but they'll probably pay more (buyout is only $5 mil) to get in when syracuse and pitt do.
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That deals with their Olympic sports. They have no waiting period/buyout for football, and Swarbrick says that the 5 ACC games will begin in 2014.

No Big East commitment affects the football program in any way.
 
So if this allows the ACC to renegotiate their TV contract with ESPN; how much is this worth to ESPN? An extra million or two per team that's an extra 14 million - 28 million each year for the conference. Surely ND is not worth that much to bump up the TV deal where each school will see a much larger increase?
 
georgia_tech_swagger said:
The Gator is no longer marquee. It is break even with the Artist formerly known as the Citrus Bowl. It is at the top of the middle tier.

1) Orange: $17.5m
2) Chikun: $3.967m
Gator: $2.5m
3) Russell: $2.3m
4) Sun: $2.05m
5) Belk: $1.6m
6) Music City: $1.7m
7) Shreveport? Really? $1.1m
8) Military Bowl: $1m
9) A baseball stadium? Really? $0.75m

Obviously bowls #7 and #9 need to effin' go. But we need to work with #3, #4, #5, #6, and #8 to grow them and get their payout up. They are good bowls in good locations.
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I disagree on the Military Bowl being in a good location in December. Some would argue the Sun Bowl too, but I think the location is fine and we would have brought many more fans if we had beat UGA. We do need to bring back the Gator or get in the Capitol One though.
 
Good to have North Dakota with us. Now we need one more marquee program and we can officially break up and join the Big 12.
 
This new partnership also means Notre Dame joins the ACC bowl lineup. Notre Dame would be an option as an opponent in the Orange Bowl. Beyond that, Notre Dame would be a potential team to play in any of the ACC contracted bowls. Its overall record would have to be better than, equal to or within one win of ACC teams available to be selected. Notre Dame would share in the revenues if selected to any of those bowls, and get an expenses allowance. If Notre Dame is picked for a BCS game, it would keep its revenues from that appearance. This bowl partnership would begin for the 2014 season.
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- Bowl can pick ND in any of the ACC affiliated bowl spots if they are within one loss from ACC team? wtf? Isn't this like an automatic shaft to a bowl-eligible ACC team that has one more win than ND?
 
alpha said:
- Bowl can pick ND in any of the ACC affiliated bowl spots if they are within one loss from ACC team? wtf? Isn't this like an automatic shaft to a bowl-eligible ACC team that has one more win than ND?
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ND = better tie-ins

In any given year, we could get passed by them. But because of this agreement, we'll have better bowl opportunities by the time the deal starts in 2014.

Also, they can get picked up by the Orange Bowl as an opponent of the ACC Champion, or they could get picked up by another BCS bowl in any given year, meaning that they won't take a spot away at all.
 
alpha said:
- Bowl can pick ND in any of the ACC affiliated bowl spots if they are within one loss from ACC team? wtf? Isn't this like an automatic shaft to a bowl-eligible ACC team that has one more win than ND?
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Do you honestly care if we go to the Music city Bowl, Champs sports bowl, Emerald Nut Bowl, Hyundai Sun Bowl, or Independence bowl?????(FWIW I like the Chik-fil-a bowl) The BCS has destroyed Bowl prestige and our conference shares revenue, so we get paid more since we'll have one more bowl team and will sell out our Stadium once more every 6 years
 
vapspwi said:
I hate ND specifically because of all the special treatment they receive, in everything from bowl tie-ins to the BCS to licensing to TV deals. It makes me sick that the ACC is perpetuating the preferential treatment that this perpetually overrated and borderline irrelevant football program receives.

The part of the ESPN story that concerns me the most is the bowl stuff:


"Notre Dame also will have access to the Orange Bowl and the ACC's non-BCS bowl tie-ins. The Fighting Irish have played in the Sun Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl over the last two seasons under coach Brian Kelly."

So ND isn't actually playing in the ACC, but apparently they can take our AQ bid to the Orange Bowl if the math works out right? And now we're all competing against ND for bowl tie-ins? That's nothing but bad for a team like GT that struggles with getting the bowl shaft anyway. (Of our tie-ins, the Peach, Charlotte, and Nashville bowls don't seem to want us, and we really don't particularly want the Shreveport or El Paso bowls. But now we've been knocked down one more slot in the pecking order by Notre Frickin' Dame. That really sucks.

This other quote from the ESPN article bugs me, too:

"The ACC in turn cements a relationship with one of the nation's most storied football programs, adding to a group that already includes Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech and Clemson. That would also seem to position the ACC as the easy choice if Notre Dame ever decides to give up its football independence."

Since when is VPI (trophy case: still empty) a "storied football program"? For that matter, what's Miami historically or recently, outside of their cocaine-and-cheating-fueled blip in the 80/90s? WTF?

JRjr
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Been playing since 1926. 5 National Championships, and not exactly in the same caliber, 3 consecutive wins over us.

You may think they snort off a hookers ass, but the NCAA doesn't semm to think that is all that bad. Kinda like AA Studies for all underclass men.
 
GTJason said:
Do you honestly care if we go to the Music city Bowl, Champs sports bowl, Emerald Nut Bowl, Hyundai Sun Bowl, or Independence bowl?????(FWIW I like the Chik-fil-a bowl) The BCS has destroyed Bowl prestige and our conference shares revenue, so we get paid more since we'll have one more bowl team and will sell out our Stadium once more every 6 years
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There's still a sequence at which the bowls can pick teams.

Until bowls ceases to exist, I don't care if the bowl is called Pooper Scooper bowl. If they get first pick ACC team after Orange Bowl, I want GT to be that team.
 
alpha said:
There's still a sequence at which the bowls can pick teams.

Until bowls ceases to exist, I don't care if the bowl is called Pooper Scooper bowl. If they get first pick ACC team after Orange Bowl, I want GT to be that team.
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We're always going to have to earn our bowl game. The bowls are a popularity contest and most bowls would pick FSU, VPI, and Clemson over us if they had the chance. We don't have the traveling fan support to sell the tickets. The worst thing for us would be if one of those teams doesn't win the ACC and we don't either. We'd be 4th in the pecking order after BCS bowls.
 
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