Bobo to Colorado State..

floridajacket said:
Part of me just wanted an excuse to post that photo. Tim Tebow is the one other QB I remember with that kind of hype and he turned out alright in college too.

I also had no idea Clausen had those sorts of stats either because ND basically jumped off the cliff starting with his freshman year. He had those great stats, like you say, but ND finished 6-6. Since then, Clausen has basically been a career backup in the NFL, so no reason to think he is GOAT like the high school hype said he would be.
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He'll be starting over Cutler for the Bears this week. :lol:
 
bwolff said:
Yeah that next decade was so much better after he left.
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How have the last couple of years gone, huh? Look at QB quality with CMR at fsu and then (the decade you reference) when he left? The Nole Nation thought he was an under achiever. What does the dwag nation think? (and not just the trailer trash).
 
floridajacket said:
Part of me just wanted an excuse to post that photo. Tim Tebow is the one other QB I remember with that kind of hype and he turned out alright in college too.

I also had no idea Clausen had those sorts of stats either because ND basically jumped off the cliff starting with his freshman year. He had those great stats, like you say, but ND finished 6-6. Since then, Clausen has basically been a career backup in the NFL, so no reason to think he is GOAT like the high school hype said he would be.
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Yeah it took me a minute to put a name with the picture. I was like who is that. Wait, is it... OMG.

Picture is f'in hilarious.

I too had no idea Clausen's stats were that good, for the same reason as you. I thought he had decent stats his Junior year, but those int numbers are really low.
 
GoldZ said:
How have the last couple of years gone, huh? Look at QB quality with CMR at fsu and then (the decade you reference) when he left? The Nole Nation thought he was an under achiever. What does the dwag nation think? (and not just the trailer trash).
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I'm really confused and can't tell if you are arguing Richt is good or bad. I hate to do it, cause it seems like I'm sucking Richt's dick when I'm not, but you are crazy if you don't think he's a good coach. We may hate the guy but its hard to say he isn't one of the best coaches in the country. His career record (all at uga) is 135-48. That's nearly averaging 10 wins a season in the SEC over a 14 year period, doing so 8 times.

Our PROGRAM has four 10 win seasons since 1956, and just nine, ever. That's right. Richt has one less 10 win season than our entire football program. Sure, we played less games way back when, but you are stupid if you aren't impressed by those numbers.

Richt also has 2 SEC titles and another four division titles.

At FSU (QB coach from 1990-93 and OC from 1994-2000), he had equal success.

Analysis of QBs seems to be the most fitting, since that's your criticism. Richt coached, in order, Charlie Ward, Danny Kanell, Thad Busby, Chris Weinke. After Richt left it was Chris Rix, Wyatt Sexton, Drew Weatherford, and Xavier Lee. Ponder was basically there a decade after Richt left. I may be missing someone, but I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on it.

So let's go one by one:

Charlie Ward won the Heisman and a National Championship. He's got the second largest Heisman margin of victory ever. Career stats were 62.3% completion rate, 5,747 yards, 49 TDs, and just 22 interceptions. Also ran for 889 yards on 172 carries. He's in the Florida State hall of fame and had his numbe retired, but played pro basketball.

Danny Kannell was an honorable mention All American as a senior. Career stats were 62.2% completion percentage, 6,372 yards, 57 TDs (at the time a school record), and just 26 interceptions. He's in the Florida State hall of fame, 4th round NFL pick.

Chris Weinke won the Heisman and a National Championship, and also lost a National Championship game as a Senior (FSU also lost the Nat'l Champ when he was a sophomore, but was hurt for the last few games). Weinke's career numbers are insance - 58.7% completion, 9,839 yards, 79 TDs, and just 32 picks. He's in the Florida State hall of fame and had his number retired, 4th round NFL pick.

Those three were all Richt.

Chris Rix was recruited by Richt. His numbers are really solid, but he had a relatively bad TD:INT ratio (63:40) and low completion percentage (55.2%). Whereas FSU had gone to three straight national championships with Richt as OC, FSU lost 4 games in 01, 5 games in 02 (including to Richt's uga team in the Sugar Bowl), 3 games in 03, and 3 games in 04.

Despite starting four years at FSU, Rix wasn't drafted in the NFL.

Wyatt Sexton - Played 2 years. 8 TDs, 8 INTs, and 1700 yards. I think he had a medical issue, but regardless didn't make the NFL.

Drew Weatherford - Played 3 years, but like Rix got benched as a Senior. 39 TDs, 32 INTs. Didn't make the NFL.

Xavier Lee - Threw 15 TDs and 11 Picks, barely completed over 15% of his passes. Made the NFL, but as a WR.

Now about this time Jimbo Fisher comes in, so if your point was that Richt is around as good as Jimbo Fisher, I'm not sure that really helps your point.
 
legal jacket said:
this. The dude is 6'5, 210 and is a junior. He was recruited by bobo, so bobo leaving easily could have an effect.

Rivals has him as the #1 player in the country, at a perfect 6.1.

247 has him as overall a 0.9958 (out of 1), the best qb in the country, and the #6 overall player.

Espn has him as the best qb, and the fourth best player of his class.

Granted he hasn't stepped on the field yet. But he easily has the potential to be better than stafford and murray, maybe even their best qb of all time. I'd love it if he went to south carolina or vanderbilt instead.
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Denver Post article points out that CSU's coaching search is only in the preliminary stages:

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As the Colorado State Rams are in Nevada, finishing up preparations for Saturday’s Las Vegas Bowl, the process of finding a replacement for Jim McElwain is continuing. President Tony Frank, interim AD John Morris, plus DHR International consultants Glenn Sugiyama and Pat Richter, have managed to mostly keep the lid on the proceedings. That’s a prerequisite for search firms, as much as possible, because one of the reasons for using them is to maintain privacy and, well, plausible deniability … as in, no, I haven’t heard from anyone at (Fill in name of school). The other layer is agents. Consultants and search services also help lessen the chance of embarrassment on both sides, with the goal of keeping things as quiet as possible and as much as possible preventing candidates (or schools) from appearing to be “rejected.”
But on Wednesday, Georgia AD Greg McGarity confirmed to Georgia.247sports.com, among others, that CSU was interviewing Bulldogs offensive coordinator Mike Bobo. That came out because Bobo, as is required in his contract, notified head coach Mark Richt. Bobo, 40, was a Georgia quarterback from 1993-97, joined Richt’s staff in 2001 and was promoted from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator in 2007.
The catch here is that the interviews at this point are considered preliminary, with DHR and a small group of additional CSU insiders charged with screening and vetting possible candidates — a number to be determined — to move along to the next step.
When some reacted to the news of Bobo’s interview with the assumption that he is going to be the Rams’ next coach, that was considerably premature and even a bit naive. This preliminary interview came to light. He might become the Rams’ next coach, but this is part of a bigger picture.
Frank isn’t yet involved and presumably won’t be until final interviews.
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http://blogs.denverpost.com/college...ng-stages-including-georgias-mike-bobo/32981/
 
UGA losing their #1-ranked QB recruit would be a big deal, Legal Jacket is right. Usually HS players that are top ranked are at least very good players.

ESPN #1 ranked players:
2014: Leonard Fournette
2013: Robert Nkemdiche
2012: Mario Edwards
2011: Jadeveon Clowney

Right now UGA's QB situation is not that great. They have three QBs on the roster who presumably weren't as good as Hutson Mason, and they have no QB recruits for 2015. There is no Murray or Stafford on the team next year. This is a team in decline offensively. Chubb is no Gurley, not even close. We don't need them getting a great QB.
 
Legal Jacket said:
I'm really confused and can't tell if you are arguing Richt is good or bad. I hate to do it, cause it seems like I'm sucking Richt's dick when I'm not, but you are crazy if you don't think he's a good coach. We may hate the guy but its hard to say he isn't one of the best coaches in the country. His career record (all at uga) is 135-48. That's nearly averaging 10 wins a season in the SEC over a 14 year period, doing so 8 times.

Our PROGRAM has four 10 win seasons since 1956, and just nine, ever. That's right. Richt has one less 10 win season than our entire football program. Sure, we played less games way back when, but you are stupid if you aren't impressed by those numbers.

Richt also has 2 SEC titles and another four division titles.

At FSU (QB coach from 1990-93 and OC from 1994-2000), he had equal success.

Analysis of QBs seems to be the most fitting, since that's your criticism. Richt coached, in order, Charlie Ward, Danny Kanell, Thad Busby, Chris Weinke. After Richt left it was Chris Rix, Wyatt Sexton, Drew Weatherford, and Xavier Lee. Ponder was basically there a decade after Richt left. I may be missing someone, but I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on it.

So let's go one by one:

Charlie Ward won the Heisman and a National Championship. He's got the second largest Heisman margin of victory ever. Career stats were 62.3% completion rate, 5,747 yards, 49 TDs, and just 22 interceptions. Also ran for 889 yards on 172 carries. He's in the Florida State hall of fame and had his numbe retired, but played pro basketball.

Danny Kannell was an honorable mention All American as a senior. Career stats were 62.2% completion percentage, 6,372 yards, 57 TDs (at the time a school record), and just 26 interceptions. He's in the Florida State hall of fame, 4th round NFL pick.

Chris Weinke won the Heisman and a National Championship, and also lost a National Championship game as a Senior (FSU also lost the Nat'l Champ when he was a sophomore, but was hurt for the last few games). Weinke's career numbers are insance - 58.7% completion, 9,839 yards, 79 TDs, and just 32 picks. He's in the Florida State hall of fame and had his number retired, 4th round NFL pick.

Those three were all Richt.

Chris Rix was recruited by Richt. His numbers are really solid, but he had a relatively bad TD:INT ratio (63:40) and low completion percentage (55.2%). Whereas FSU had gone to three straight national championships with Richt as OC, FSU lost 4 games in 01, 5 games in 02 (including to Richt's uga team in the Sugar Bowl), 3 games in 03, and 3 games in 04.

Despite starting four years at FSU, Rix wasn't drafted in the NFL.

Wyatt Sexton - Played 2 years. 8 TDs, 8 INTs, and 1700 yards. I think he had a medical issue, but regardless didn't make the NFL.

Drew Weatherford - Played 3 years, but like Rix got benched as a Senior. 39 TDs, 32 INTs. Didn't make the NFL.

Xavier Lee - Threw 15 TDs and 11 Picks, barely completed over 15% of his passes. Made the NFL, but as a WR.

Now about this time Jimbo Fisher comes in, so if your point was that Richt is around as good as Jimbo Fisher, I'm not sure that really helps your point.
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Good set of FACTS Legal! (They may startle and confuse many.)
 
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Legal Jacket said:
I'm really confused and can't tell if you are arguing Richt is good or bad. I hate to do it, cause it seems like I'm sucking Richt's dick when I'm not, but you are crazy if you don't think he's a good coach. We may hate the guy but its hard to say he isn't one of the best coaches in the country. His career record (all at uga) is 135-48. That's nearly averaging 10 wins a season in the SEC over a 14 year period, doing so 8 times.

Our PROGRAM has four 10 win seasons since 1956, and just nine, ever. That's right. Richt has one less 10 win season than our entire football program. Sure, we played less games way back when, but you are stupid if you aren't impressed by those numbers.

Richt also has 2 SEC titles and another four division titles.

At FSU (QB coach from 1990-93 and OC from 1994-2000), he had equal success.

Analysis of QBs seems to be the most fitting, since that's your criticism. Richt coached, in order, Charlie Ward, Danny Kanell, Thad Busby, Chris Weinke. After Richt left it was Chris Rix, Wyatt Sexton, Drew Weatherford, and Xavier Lee. Ponder was basically there a decade after Richt left. I may be missing someone, but I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on it.

So let's go one by one:

Charlie Ward won the Heisman and a National Championship. He's got the second largest Heisman margin of victory ever. Career stats were 62.3% completion rate, 5,747 yards, 49 TDs, and just 22 interceptions. Also ran for 889 yards on 172 carries. He's in the Florida State hall of fame and had his numbe retired, but played pro basketball.

Danny Kannell was an honorable mention All American as a senior. Career stats were 62.2% completion percentage, 6,372 yards, 57 TDs (at the time a school record), and just 26 interceptions. He's in the Florida State hall of fame, 4th round NFL pick.

Chris Weinke won the Heisman and a National Championship, and also lost a National Championship game as a Senior (FSU also lost the Nat'l Champ when he was a sophomore, but was hurt for the last few games). Weinke's career numbers are insance - 58.7% completion, 9,839 yards, 79 TDs, and just 32 picks. He's in the Florida State hall of fame and had his number retired, 4th round NFL pick.

Those three were all Richt.

Chris Rix was recruited by Richt. His numbers are really solid, but he had a relatively bad TD:INT ratio (63:40) and low completion percentage (55.2%). Whereas FSU had gone to three straight national championships with Richt as OC, FSU lost 4 games in 01, 5 games in 02 (including to Richt's uga team in the Sugar Bowl), 3 games in 03, and 3 games in 04.

Despite starting four years at FSU, Rix wasn't drafted in the NFL.

Wyatt Sexton - Played 2 years. 8 TDs, 8 INTs, and 1700 yards. I think he had a medical issue, but regardless didn't make the NFL.

Drew Weatherford - Played 3 years, but like Rix got benched as a Senior. 39 TDs, 32 INTs. Didn't make the NFL.

Xavier Lee - Threw 15 TDs and 11 Picks, barely completed over 15% of his passes. Made the NFL, but as a WR.

Now about this time Jimbo Fisher comes in, so if your point was that Richt is around as good as Jimbo Fisher, I'm not sure that really helps your point.
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Maybe this will help. I'm making two points, one-both fsu and ugag had significant groups of fans that thought CMR was an under achiever, and secondly-in response to the "how did the 10 years go after he left fsu", I'm saying Richt had much better QB's than fsu had the referenced decade after he left. Nothing more, nothing less. And I do believe both he and Bobo are very good offensive coaches.
 
77GTFan said:
Interesting to see if they will change philosophy with their next hire. Bobo still believed in the I, in tight ends, fullbacks, run blocking lines and great tailbacks. By the way, so do I. Is it any wonder they signed the best tailbacks, tight ends, fullbacks, and O-line? If they go to a spread I believe the talent they have will bring good early results, but over time, I think it will hurt their recruiting.
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I think Richt is a fan of the I as well. I suspect Richt will get another I style OC. I don't think Richt is opposed to incorporating elements if a spread into the offense, but I think he will keep the I as the base. With all the offensive success they've had, moving from the I seems like change for change sake.
 
Any mediocre coach would look good with the huge built-in advantages of a UGA or an FSU. Not hard to win 8 or 9 when you get top talent by default. It's the Dabo effect (except I would argue Dabo has done a better job). Richt has failed to achieve what schools with similar recruiting have. Since Richt has been at UGA, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, and LSU have all won national championships--several of those schools multiple times. Richt has squandered so much talent.

I'm glad for him to stay there because he will hold them at a good-not-great level until we can overtake them as a program. I'd also be glad for him to get fired because it would be a disruption for their program and they might pick someone worse. It's a good situation.

After Richt left it was Chris Rix, Wyatt Sexton, Drew Weatherford, and Xavier Lee. Ponder was basically there a decade after Richt left. I may be missing someone, but I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on it.
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Those were Bowden's too-old years.
 
Richt did a great job of recruiting Cam Newton to play TE and developing Nick Marshall as a DB
 
GoldZ said:
Maybe this will help. I'm making two points, one-both fsu and ugag had significant groups of fans that thought CMR was an under achiever, and secondly-in response to the "how did the 10 years go after he left fsu", I'm saying Richt had much better QB's than fsu had the referenced decade after he left. Nothing more, nothing less. And I do believe both he and Bobo are very good offensive coaches.
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Richt may be somewhat of an under achiever, but I would be on cloud 9 if uga ever got rid of him (or maybe he finds his calling to do mission work). He's had a similar problem to CPJ recently - his defense just hasn't been that good. Their other thing is that they don't oversign, which really hurts them when every other halfway decent program in the SEC does.

Richt no doubt had better QBs - the only question to me is whether that is a result of his coaching. I think you have to give the man some credit - he's had some pretty good ones at uga too.

The best thing to me is that CPJ has shown that we can hang with them 100%. They have a much better team on paper than we do this year. We just outcoached em and outfought em. We almost did the same thing last year too. Factor in a few other close games over the years and we aren't too far away from being 3-4 or 4-3 against the dwags under CPJ. Then again, we aren't too far from being 0-7 either.
 
gtzulu said:
Any mediocre coach would look good with the huge built-in advantages of a UGA or an FSU. Not hard to win 8 or 9 when you get top talent by default. It's the Dabo effect (except I would argue Dabo has done a better job). Richt has failed to achieve what schools with similar recruiting have. Since Richt has been at UGA, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, and LSU have all won national championships--several of those schools multiple times. Richt has squandered so much talent.

I'm glad for him to stay there because he will hold them at a good-not-great level until we can overtake them as a program. I'd also be glad for him to get fired because it would be a disruption for their program and they might pick someone worse. It's a good situation.

Those were Bowden's too-old years.
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Your argument isn't completely off base, but Richt is the best coach they've ever had. His win % (73.7%) is 2.2% higher than Drooleys. It's a lot more than Butts(hole) and Ray Goff.

In fact, if you put him up on the list of college coaches with over 200 wins, he'd fall right between Jim Tressel and Brian Kelly (and, to be fair, Richt has only coached at uga, not easier schools like Youngstown State or Grand Valley State or Central Michigan).

The only division 1 coaches with 200+ wins and better win percentages are Tom Osborne, Bo Schembechler, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, Bobby Bowden, and Jim Tressel.

So sure, while it certainly helps being at a school like uga, if Richt keeps it up for another 6-7 seasons (he's at 135 wins currently) he would have the 7th best win percentage of coaches with 200 division 1 wins (again, to be fair, this doesn't include coaches like Saban with only 74 wins but an 83.1% win pct.).

You can poo poo the guy all you want, but the only knock on him is that he's too nice and hasn't won a national championship. I'm just really glad they lost to bama two years ago.
 
I don't think he had much to do with Greene's uncanny accuracy or Stafford's arm strength. Otoh, I credit him a great deal with developing Murray, with a big assist from Bobo. He has taken full advantage of ugag's recruiting "environment" to bring in QBs. The lost decade at fsu would look a bit different with Greene, Stafford, and Murray.

If he has underachieved at all, it has been on D and more than just recently. This is actually where ugag's recruiting environment should pay off the most. This is where his critics may have a point, but 10 wins is 10 wins.
 
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