Expansion Rumors…

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Being back in the SECheat would be living hell. But it won't happen. We don't even need to waste the keystrokes on it. I was in school the last time it came up and they said then, and it's even more true now, that GA Tech adds nothing to the conference they don't already have. The SECheat owns ATL and GA already. Why do they need us?

The same applies to Clemson, but even more so. SC is a small state with a small population (few TVs) that is not particularly good recruiting ground (that they already have in their footprint), and where they already have the flagship school. Why would they want to add Clemson? There is no need.

Same generally for FSU. Except for the 1980's, UF has been the equal or better program most years. The SECheat already recruits FL heavily, though there are enough TVs in FL to make them think about how many FSU might add. FSU fits them culturally very well. This one might be the only possibility of a future heist.

There is no way they would invite Miami. It does not fit their model of a large passionate fanbase, and the school just does not fit the culture of the SECheat. Again, UF has the state tied up and Miami adds very few TVs.

However, being AAU, the B1G might try to poach them though, as they need a door into FL recruiting. GA Tech and UNC are two others the B1G might try to lure away for the recruiting, but they just reeled in USC and UCLA. It won't happen for a few years and by then we'll see the direction this is all going.

Interest:
I agree, the SECheat would be as close to a 10 as possible, but BDS would be full of inbred heathen week after week. Did I say living hell?

If the ACC is a 4, the B1G might be a 6, maybe. However, as you typed, once you get past UoM, tOSU, and maybe MSU and PSU, there is very little interest down here. They are all just the same as UMD. And after doing that you have to go to those towns every other year in minus-30 degree weather. Nope.

You guys can wish for all that if you want. As for me, I'm hoping that the ACC gets a clue.
What you’re missing is that with more money and better opponents, we also have a better product. It will draw our own fans too. Broke ass ACC Tech is a lot different than SEC Tech with $30mm more per year to improve all aspects of our programs.
 
It is unlikely that monetary damages alone could remedy the harm done by their departure. Injunctive relief is often sought when actions are threathened which, once done, cannot effectively be undone. I think they would get an injunction. But again, I will defer to your legal background . . . which is???

I'm not a lawyer; but how could you argue in court that monetary damages alone are unsufficient when you have already written that monetary damages, the GOR, is the remedy for harm done by departure in the contract??
 
If a majority of schools in the league vote to disband the league then the grant of rights doesn't apply.

What if Virginia, VT, UNC, NC State, Clemson, GT, Fla. St, and Miami wanted to disband the league to go to the SEC.

SEC would be at 24 teams. They could figure it out from a scheduling standpoint.

TV money is what is important. If the ACC disbands, then the ACC network and all of the ESPN money goes bye.

ESPN also holds the rights to the SEC. So the ACC money is now spilt 14.5 ways with Notre Dame getting a small share. ESPN could plow that money back into a new SEC contract paying the new SEC teams the same as the current SEC teams.

I haven't done the math but it has to be lots better than adding new teams with no incremental revenue. The 8 schools coming in could bring the entire current ACC revenue stream to the SEC.
 
What you’re missing is that with more money and better opponents, we also have a better product. It will draw our own fans too. Broke ass ACC Tech is a lot different than SEC Tech with $30mm more per year to improve all aspects of our programs.

That and the value of GT to the SEC would be to keep the B1G out of the south. Atlanta opens up the viewing market and the recruiting area. Atlanta is still the gateway to the south, particularly if the B1G wants to dip expansion into Florida. I'm pretty sure the SEC realizes that. B1G could add FSU or Miami without a presence in Atlanta; but it is a little smoother if they took GT in the pairing.
 
I'm not a lawyer; but how could you argue in court that monetary damages alone are unsufficient when you have already written that monetary damages, the GOR, is the remedy for harm done by departure in the contract??
I think we caught you in the truth!
 
You guys can wish for all that if you want. As for me, I'm hoping that the ACC gets a clue.

The thing is, this sounds like the outcome that most strongly resides in the realm of "wishful thinking". Regardless of how desirable it is, it feels the least likely of all outcomes. I don't think the ACC has removed its head from its own ass once since I started watching GT football.
 
How long until the rest of CFB gets tired of 3-4 schools being the only ones that can win a natty and seek parity?
 
What you’re missing is that with more money and better opponents, we also have a better product. It will draw our own fans too. Broke ass ACC Tech is a lot different than SEC Tech with $30mm more per year to improve all aspects of our programs.
What you’re missing is that Tech isn’t going into the SECheat. The only option that direction is the B1G.
 
What you’re missing is that Tech isn’t going into the SECheat. The only option that direction is the B1G.
I get that you don’t want SEC and that’s fine. But it’s equally as likely that we end up there as we do the B1G. And the sad fact is that neither is likely. We are most likely locked in steerage on the Titanic that is the ACC with no chance to get to a lifeboat before the ship goes under.
 
We are most likely locked in steerage on the Titanic that is the ACC with no chance to get to a lifeboat before the ship goes under.
SEC, nor Big 10 will make room for us on the floating door. Big 12 will spot us and throw us a lifeline. But AAC and Conference USA will be reaching up from the depths to try to drag us down.
 
How long until the rest of CFB gets tired of 3-4 schools being the only ones that can win a natty and seek parity?
What exactly are they going to do about it? Very nicely ask those schools to spend less money?
 
SEC, nor Big 10 will make room for us on the floating door. Big 12 will spot us and throw us a lifeline. But AAC and Conference USA will be reaching up from the depths to try to drag us down.
The Big 12 we will end up in will be a mix of the current top AAC teams and bottom Big 12 teams. Maybe a few Sunbelt teams. Meaning it will be like swimming in a big pool of non power 5 teams. Texas and Oklahoma are already gone. Anyone else worth a damn will also leave. I for one am not interested in playing outside of one of the power conferences. It will be the death of Tech sports for me.
 
The Big 12 we will end up in will be a mix of the current top AAC teams and bottom Big 12 teams. Maybe a few Sunbelt teams. Meaning it will be like swimming in a big pool of non power 5 teams. Texas and Oklahoma are already gone. Anyone else worth a damn will also leave. I for one am not interested in playing outside of one of the power conferences. It will be the death of Tech sports for me.
I will get to save money. Hike and kayak more.
 
What exactly are they going to do about it? Very nicely ask those schools to spend less money?
Massive walk out at the start of the season- demand a NFL model, collective bargaining, players unions, salary caps, recruiting $ caps, coaching staff caps
 
The Big 12 we will end up in will be a mix of the current top AAC teams and bottom Big 12 teams. Maybe a few Sunbelt teams. Meaning it will be like swimming in a big pool of non power 5 teams. Texas and Oklahoma are already gone. Anyone else worth a damn will also leave. I for one am not interested in playing outside of one of the power conferences. It will be the death of Tech sports for me.
Amen, I would rather just GT join a nerd-school league and play our P5 peers.
 
I get that you don’t want SEC and that’s fine. But it’s equally as likely that we end up there as we do the B1G. And the sad fact is that neither is likely. We are most likely locked in steerage on the Titanic that is the ACC with no chance to get to a lifeboat before the ship goes under.
This is what I don't understand. I get accused of "living in yesteryear" when it is you guys who are. College football has bifurcated, and its future is a semi-pro level and a semi-amateur level. It had been slowly moving this way for decades, but the recent rapid increase in TV dollars, access to the portal, and now NIL has brought this about quickly. IMPO, big changes are ahead. Disruptions of this kind often spawn new structures.

GA Tech has not been part of the "ruling class" in college football since the mid-1950's, the dawn of the modern era. Over that time, amateur football at the college level became semi-amateur laced with financial incentives, some legal, some not, with the NCAA "trying" to hold things together. In the midst of all that, the financial and recruiting lines were drawn and GA Tech was on the other side from most successful programs, the result being the GTAA almost forced into bankruptcy by 1980.

Fast forward 40 years and college football is now riven by money and the push toward a semi-pro model. Today's CFB has almost totally free agent players and virtually unchecked payments through NIL. To think that any team not already flush with money will successfully accede to the top level is fatuous. You don't have time since the top players (the few who even choose your program) are free to leave for a higher-level program before yours can get there. We're already seeing this happen. Meanwhile, we're seeing a sharp divide occurring between the haves and have-nots within the former top league (P5, FBS). The have-nots going forward will simply exist to serve the haves.

Personally, I think the time is coming where we will see new conferences forming with programs that won't walk down that path to certain servitude. Therefore, I don't think that the only two options ahead for GA Tech are the SECheat and the B1G. I think there may well be a new southern conference that will boast several very good programs, including GA Tech. I also believe that GA Tech can be (if it wants to be) among those who reimagine semi-amateur college football. The last such realignment was 100 years ago when the old Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association fragmented creating the Southern Conference, which ultimately split resulting in the formation of two major conferences (ACC and SEC) and eventually the SoCon. I think all this disruption may again spawn a new recombination of schools.

So, there is precedent. In 1921, out of the old SIAA there came the new Southern Conference of Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and Tennessee, and later adding Duke, Florida, LSU, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tulane, and Vandy. The remaining SIAA schools eventually disbanded in 1942 due to WWII with some of them reforming later into a renewed Southern Conference after the Southern Conference of 1921 split into the SEC (1932) and then the ACC (1953).
 
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