Expansion Rumors…

1982Jacket said:
Not really anything they can do about it.

They could try to leave. They would get sued, the court would impose an injunction against their leaving, they would ultimately lose, and they would incur a öööö ton in legal fees for nothing.
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ESPN would never let that happen. They didn’t let it happen this year in the Big XII
 
savbandjacket said:
My legal background is that I do it for a living and have for quite a while.
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ESPN cannot ultimately hold things together. They can delay the inevitable by providing short-term pressure valves for energy release, but eventually the energy will overcome the system and dissipative structures will emerge. It's the way complex systems work.
 
I expect a resolution to the ACC GOR will happen soon. If we are unhappy about the funding disparity with the other P5 conferences, the frustration at FSU, Clemson and Miami must be reaching critical mass.

My wild idea for a new conference: VA, VA Tech, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, Clemson, GT, Miami, FSU, Tulane, TCU, SMU, OK State, Louisville and Cincinnati.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
I expect a resolution to the ACC GOR will happen soon. If we are unhappy about the funding disparity with the other P5 conferences, the frustration at FSU, Clemson and Miami must be reaching critical mass.

My wild idea for a new conference: VA, VA Tech, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, Clemson, GT, Miami, FSU, Tulane, TCU, SMU, OK State, Louisville and Cincinnati.
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Remove VT, UNC, Clemson, Miami and FSU and add in USF, Marshall, BC, Syracuse and one other no name and that’s probably about what we are looking at.
 
Just when I think the board has already bottomed out, we go lower.

Miami will have a better landing spot, as will FSU and Clemson.
 
savbandjacket said:
Remove VT, UNC, Clemson, Miami and FSU and add in USF, Marshall, BC, Syracuse and one other no name and that’s probably about what we are looking at.
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Which existing conference(s) would take any of the five you pulled out? Maybe UNC and Miami. The other three have small TV markets and lousy flight access.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
Which existing conference(s) would take any of the five you pulled out? Maybe UNC and Miami. The other three have small TV markets and lousy flight access.
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News to me that the states of Virginia and Florida are small tv markets. I’ll give you SC though.

And most colleges have lousy flight access. We are an exception to that general rule.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
I expect a resolution to the ACC GOR will happen soon. If we are unhappy about the funding disparity with the other P5 conferences, the frustration at FSU, Clemson and Miami must be reaching critical mass.

My wild idea for a new conference: VA, VA Tech, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, Clemson, GT, Miami, FSU, Tulane, TCU, SMU, OK State, Louisville and Cincinnati.
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I am around a bunch of FSU people. I am pretty certain something like that wouldn’t interest them in the least
 
The danger for the big conferences is that they are going to kill the golden goose. Alabama doesn’t get those tv ratings just because of the Alabama fans. They pick up a lot of college football fans.

Keep going down this path and GT, GSU, KSU, GaSt fans stop watching. They aren’t going to transition into uga fans in large numbers. They are just going to focus in the nfl. College football is big because it is local. People feel some connection to the teams. Lose that and college football becomes a ööööty version of the nfl.

College basketball has navigated the waters.
 
Miami isn't going anywhere, with the long shot exception of the B1G and then just to give them Florida as a recruiting state and the few TV's that Miami drives. Miami, vis. institutional culture, would not fit in the SECheat. F$U could get an invite to the SECheat as FL has a huge population and F$U a huge following that would bring a bunch more TV's. They are also culturally aligned with the SECheat. Clemson won't get an invite either direction as they are not AAU and they add zero to the TV model for SC.

UNCheat won't leave all its long-time good buddies. They will (gladly) watch football melt away as their long-lost basketball league recapitulates itself. They may participate in the creation of a new conference, but if that new conference doesn't genuflex before the Tobacco Road Mafia it's no deal.

I may take a few years, but IMPO, I think you're eventually going to see the SECheat get to an uneven split of conference revenues with the big boys taking bigger shares. There's only so many dollars and those guys don't know how to quit inflating costs. They'll eventually get to the end of TV dollars. Then what? That they included UTA in their latest heist almost makes this a done deal already. It's why TAMU and Mizzou left the B12 back when. At that point, you may see teams like Vandy, MSU, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Arky, Kentucky, and USCe rumble about splitting off.

It may not happen any time real soon, but I can see a group of Ole Miss, MSU, Arky, Mizzou, Vandy, Kentucky, Louisville, GA Tech, Miami, UNCHeat, NCSU, DU, WFU, UVA, and VPI create a new conference.

At that point, Clemson and/or F$U might indeed go to the SECheat along with UTA, TAMU, OU, LSU, UT, Bama, AU, UGAg, and UF. Maybe Ole Miss and MSU stay as they've convinced themselves they are relevant with those programs though they win almost nothing.

Edit: The only way I see out of this is through litigation, through which the SA is defined as one who cannot be paid NIL unless his/her image is actually used, and all commercial interests are strictly separate from schools/boosters.
 
stinger78 said:
Miami isn't going anywhere, with the long shot exception of the B1G and then just to give them Florida as a recruiting state and the few TV's that Miami drives. Miami, vis. institutional culture, would not fit in the SECheat. F$U could get an invite to the SECheat as FL has a huge population and F$U a huge following that would bring a bunch more TV's. They are also culturally aligned with the SECheat. Clemson won't get an invite either direction as they are not AAU and they add zero to the TV model for SC.

UNCheat won't leave all its long-time good buddies. They will (gladly) watch football melt away as their long-lost basketball league recapitulates itself. They may participate in the creation of a new conference, but if that new conference doesn't genuflex before the Tobacco Road Mafia it's no deal.

I may take a few years, but IMPO, I think you're eventually going to see the SECheat get to an uneven split of conference revenues with the big boys taking bigger shares. There's only so many dollars and those guys don't know how to quit inflating costs. They'll eventually get to the end of TV dollars. Then what? That they included UTA in their latest heist almost makes this a done deal already. It's why TAMU and Mizzou left the B12 back when. At that point, you may see teams like Vandy, MSU, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Kentucky, and USCe rumble about splitting off.

It may not happen any time real soon, but I can see a group of Ole Miss, MSU, Arky, Mizzou, Vandy, Kentucky, Louisville, GA Tech, Miami, UNCHeat, NCSU, DU, WFU, UVA, and VPI create a new conference.

At that point, Clemson and/or F$U might indeed go to the SECheat along with UTA, TAMU, OU, LSU, UT, Bama, AU, UGAg, and UF. Maybe Ole Miss and MSU stay as they've convinced themselves they are relevant with those programs though they win almost nothing.
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You're full of öööö. There would be a very good chance Miami gets into either the SEC or BIG10, especially if billionaire donor has his way with building them a stadium. Miami is a different world than the rest of Florida. The SEC or BIG10 would love that footprint. It is nowhere NEAR UF (about 350 miles). We are about as close to UNC as Miami is to UF.
 
JJacket said:
You're full of öööö. There would be a very good chance Miami gets into either the SEC or BIG10, especially if billionaire donor has his way with building them a stadium. Miami is a different world than the rest of Florida. The SEC or BIG10 would love that footprint. It is nowhere NEAR UF (about 350 miles). We are about as close to UNC as Miami is to UF.
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Correct. The biggest leverage the Florida schools have with the SEC is they don’t want the BIG10 rattling around and building a bigger footprint in the Florida/Georgia recruiting area
 
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