Expansion Rumors…

[donsue]

I think the bolded is the statement all of this contention is about. Many have doubts that statement is true. When they talk about a 5-year trend line, I don't think they mean for GT specifically, I think they mean for the ACC. The conference has not given the appearance of doing well lately, with a lot of teams doing bad and the teams that had been good in the past 10 years seemingly on the decline. Even when ACC teams were competing for national titles, the conference was viewed as weaker due to not so good OOC and bowl showings. The economic situation also has a somewhat bleak outlook with earnings that are increasingly on the lower end of the major conferences and may not have a chance to increase in those next 10 years you mention in the other post.

The conversation feels like it is going nowhere cause the debate keeps going to "can we win outside the ACC" when really the question is "how long will winning in the ACC mean anything"?

Bingo! The day is fast approaching where winning in the ACC is like beating up the biggest 5 year old in the sand box

 

[WracerX]

I am a strong believer that CPJ started to evolve for Vad Lee's skillet and then regressed back. We would have probably been a lot better team had we at least thrown in 10% pistol designed plays. Hell, start 3-O, shift to pistol and visa versa. We became a one trick pony that UGAg had figured out. Rules changes helped.

We could not ever have had another Cam Chancellor game after rules changes.

I heard that take, but where it falls down is that our best offenses came under JT5. Uga figured out the no pass, double option that TM was able to execute. CPJ undoing wasn’t his offense, it was his inability to groom more than one qb at a time.

Clemson and uga didn’t just figure out the option, they began beating every team consistently. We had the misfortune of watching our two primary rivals hit the historical peaks in the last ten years. Only Auburn knows our pain.

 

[stinger78]

Bingo! The day is fast approaching where winning in the ACC is like beating up the biggest 5 year old in the sand box

Compared to what? This is my point. Compared to programs that have sold their soul for football? There's only room for about 15-20 of those and GA Tech is not going to be in that group. If they ever did, it would feel more like a minor league pro football team than a team of GA Tech students. Is that what you guys want? Not me.

Let those programs go. We can then all get back to college football. GA Tech football, and ACC football, doesn't need Alabama, UGAg, LSU, UF, Auburn, UT, TAMU, UTA, OU, tOSU, UoM, MSU, UW, PSU, USC, UCLA, etc. Those guys have sold their souls for money. They are literally the den of thieves. There will be others who will join them but are destined to be nothing but the "ladies of the evening" for those programs above to feast on for the money. That's not what I would prefer to see GA Tech football to become. There are 100 other teams to play in D1 football, many of them very good programs - several within our own conference.

 

[donsue]

Compared to what? This is my point. Compared to programs that have sold their soul for football? There's only room for about 15-20 of those and GA Tech is not going to be in that group. If they ever did, it would feel more like a minor league pro football team than a team of GA Tech students. Is that what you guys want? Not me.

Let those programs go. We can then all get back to college football. GA Tech football, and ACC football, doesn't need Alabama, UGAg, LSU, UF, Auburn, UT, TAMU, UTA, OU, tOSU, UoM, MSU, UW, PSU, USC, UCLA, etc. Those guys have sold their souls for money. They are literally the den of thieves. There will be others who will join them but are destined to be nothing but the "ladies of the evening" for those programs above to feast on for the money. That's not what I would prefer to see GA Tech football to become. There are 100 other teams to play in D1 football, many of them very good programs - several within our own conference.

I can’t look into the future with a crystal ball. But if you are fine with playing in a lesser league with other teams like that, then just realize you won’t see any more Calvin Johnson’s, or Eddie Lee Ivery’s. My point is how much money and interest will it raise? Under that scenario, why not just drop football and focus on baseball and basketball?
For the record, I too hate the NIL crap, and the prostitution of the portal. But it is what it is today.

 

[JJacket]

Here's the OOC football record by conference for 2022. It's not as bad as many like to make it out to be. Not great, but not horrendous.

And last attendance figures I have seen have BIG10 and SEC attendance around 80 million per season. The ACC is less than 50 million per season. Those dollars add up and we need cash, now.

 

[stinger78]

I can’t look into the future with a crystal ball. But if you are fine with playing in a lesser league with other teams like that, then just realize you won’t see any more Calvin Johnson’s, or Eddie Lee Ivery’s. My point is how much money and interest will it raise? Under that scenario, why not just drop football and focus on baseball and basketball?
For the record, I too hate the NIL crap, and the prostitution of the portal. But it is what it is today.

I hate it, too, but the only way to change it is to do something about it. Staying with those programs - or worse, joining them - is not the way to change it, IMPO. But to each his own.

 

[JJacket]

Compared to what? This is my point. Compared to programs that have sold their soul for football? There's only room for about 15-20 of those and GA Tech is not going to be in that group. If they ever did, it would feel more like a minor league pro football team than a team of GA Tech students. Is that what you guys want? Not me.

Let those programs go. We can then all get back to college football. GA Tech football, and ACC football, doesn't need Alabama, UGAg, LSU, UF, Auburn, UT, TAMU, UTA, OU, tOSU, UoM, MSU, UW, PSU, USC, UCLA, etc. Those guys have sold their souls for money. They are literally the den of thieves. There will be others who will join them but are destined to be nothing but the "ladies of the evening" for those programs above to feast on for the money. That's not what I would prefer to see GA Tech football to become. There are 100 other teams to play in D1 football, many of them very good programs - several within our own conference.

Sell your soul? Wut? Do you want a successful team or not.

I'm reminded of what Lars said about Metallica "selling out" - "yea, we sell out every show we play"

 

[aeromech]

Compared to what? This is my point. Compared to programs that have sold their soul for football? There's only room for about 15-20 of those and GA Tech is not going to be in that group. If they ever did, it would feel more like a minor league pro football team than a team of GA Tech students. Is that what you guys want? Not me.

Let those programs go. We can then all get back to college football. GA Tech football, and ACC football, doesn't need Alabama, UGAg, LSU, UF, Auburn, UT, TAMU, UTA, OU, tOSU, UoM, MSU, UW, PSU, USC, UCLA, etc. Those guys have sold their souls for money. They are literally the den of thieves. There will be others who will join them but are destined to be nothing but the "ladies of the evening" for those programs above to feast on for the money. That's not what I would prefer to see GA Tech football to become. There are 100 other teams to play in D1 football, many of them very good programs - several within our own conference.

You don't want to be competitive with Alabama, UGAg, LSU, UF, Auburn, UT, TAMU, UTA, OU, tOSU, UoM, MSU, UW, PSU, USC, UCLA, etc. That pretty much sums it up. I just hate to see the program go down to where our rivals become the 2 GSU's and Kennesaw; because I am confident Clemson and FSU aren't interested in joining us down there. I don't see the ACC surviving with it's current members long term. I think FSU, UNC, Miami and Clemson bail out of the model you envision.

 

[stinger78]

You don't want to be competitive with Alabama, UGAg, LSU, UF, Auburn, UT, TAMU, UTA, OU, tOSU, UoM, MSU, UW, PSU, USC, UCLA, etc. That pretty much sums it up. I just hate to see the program go down to where our rivals become the 2 GSU's and Kennesaw; because I am confident Clemson and FSU aren't interested in joining us down there. I don't see the ACC surviving with it's current members long term. I think FSU, UNC, Miami and Clemson bail out of the model you envision.

LOL. Do you think there’s some space between Alabama and Kennesaw?

I think there is a HUGE space there, where we’ve been for the last 50 years, enjoying Tech football. And yes, in the odd years, when things line up right, we can be competitive with those programs. We’ve not beaten UGAg more than 3x per decade since the 1960’s. The divide has gotten worse, not better. I’d be glad to beat them 3x this decade, TBH. We don’t play the others enough to know.

Clemson and FSU are not getting an invite to the SEC for the same reason we aren’t… money. They sure aren’t going to the B1G. They’re not AAU and won’t be anytime soon.

You guys worry too much about notions that are no more than fantasy.

 

[JJacket]

LOL. Do you think there’s some space between Alabama and Kennesaw?

I think there is a HUGE space there, where we’ve been for the last 50 years, enjoying Tech football. And yes, in the odd years, when things line up right, we can be competitive with those programs. We’ve not beaten UGAg more than 3x per decade since the 1960’s. The divide has gotten worse, not better. I’d be glad to beat them 3x this decade, TBH. We don’t play the others enough to know.

Clemson and FSU are not getting an invite to the SEC for the same reason we aren’t… money. They sure aren’t going to the B1G. They’re not AAU and won’t be anytime soon.

You guys worry too much about notions that are no more than fantasy.

Space between Alabama and Kennesaw? Yes. Unfortunately, you want to settle for the "closer to Kennesaw" side.

 

[aeromech]

LOL. Do you think there’s some space between Alabama and Kennesaw?

I think there is a HUGE space there, where we’ve been for the last 50 years, enjoying Tech football. And yes, in the odd years, when things line up right, we can be competitive with those programs. We’ve not beaten UGAg more than 3x per decade since the 1960’s. The divide has gotten worse, not better. I’d be glad to beat them 3x this decade, TBH. We don’t play the others enough to know.

Clemson and FSU are not getting an invite to the SEC for the same reason we aren’t… money. They sure aren’t going to the B1G. They’re not AAU and won’t be anytime soon.

You guys worry too much about notions that are no more than fantasy.

But you are saying you don't want to compete with the teams GT has competed with for the past 50 years. And no, in the odd years we would not be competitive with those programs under your plan. We could probably compete with the service academies. You are basically talking about going to a pumped up version of the FCS if I understand you with maybe a minor bowl game in good years.

 

[1982Jacket]

You are living in yesteryear. I don't know how to put it any kinder than that. They game has changed monumentally since the GOL and CCG days; we simply are not living in those times anymore. There is no "maybe" to my first statement either, I posted a link from Georgia Tech to show you the facts. If you aren't going to believe Georgia Tech then I can't help you. The 93% would be even higher if it wasn't for the portal.

The 93% would be even higher if it wasn't for the portal.

How?

Georgia Tech admits well more than 5000 new students every year. The TOTAL number of folks leaving by the portal each year isn't even 50. That's less than one percent. And some of those would not have graduated anyway. So what - are you really arguing that it would be 93.1%???

What I don't get is why you guys can't pop your head out of the sand and see today's reality? It is as if the past decade simply passed you by. The ACC was a fine conference to be in when GOL and CCG were here; but mismanagement of the conference has put it in steady decline, the idiotic GOR and long term low ball TV contract have insured it will continue to decline. You have to guess if being 5-7 in top league is better than being 5-7 and broke in a bush league??

I'll bet most of these delusional folks live somewhere in JawJa. What has happened is clear to me. Their friends, neighbors, co-workers, golfing buddies, and fellow parishioners are dwag fans, and then they read the paper and see all the folks walking around with dwag hats, and jerseys, and t-shirts, and the TV ads and promotions tied in to the dwags, and it has gotten MUCH worse in the past couple of years, and the constant barrage of "how BOUT them dawgs!" has quite literally driven them insane. The only way they can make the pain stop is for Tech to become competitive with the dawgs on an annual basis.

First off, the whole B1G discussion is mastubatory anyway because NO ONE in the BiG is extending an invite to Georgia Tech anyway, and even if they did we have signed a GOR for the next 12 years. We are in the ACC for the foreseeable future. Welcome to Realville.

But OK, let's play that fantasy game. Say Tech went to the B1G and had a lot more money. It most definitely would NOT help us win more overall to play a B1G schedule versus a weak ACC schedule. We would actually win less against tOSU, UMich, PSU, MSU, etc. every year than against Clemson and FSU. Even the insane folks I mentioned above must realize that.

But they think having more money **might** make Tech more competitive for ONE game a year. And maybe if we could beat ugag once, then that awful bleating of the lambs would stop, Clarice. And their sanity might be restored.

I hate ugag. But I don't live in jawja and literally don't hear anything about them from anyone (except here at ST) until the SEC Championship (if they're there). So I have also not been driven insane by them, as some of these folks most clearly have. And I would take an 8-4 Tech record with a decent bowl game and a ugag loss (which is going to hapen most times anyway), over a 4-8 record and a win over ugag. Because I do not need to make the daily ugag noise stop to restore my sanity.

It really is just as simple as that.

 

[JJacket]

Clemson and FSU >>>>> than PSU and MSU. In fact, Michigan State shouldn't even be discussed as a team to fear.

 

[donsue]

LOL. Do you think there’s some space between Alabama and Kennesaw?

I think there is a HUGE space there, where we’ve been for the last 50 years, enjoying Tech football. And yes, in the odd years, when things line up right, we can be competitive with those programs. We’ve not beaten UGAg more than 3x per decade since the 1960’s. The divide has gotten worse, not better. I’d be glad to beat them 3x this decade, TBH. We don’t play the others enough to know.

Clemson and FSU are not getting an invite to the SEC for the same reason we aren’t… money. They sure aren’t going to the B1G. They’re not AAU and won’t be anytime soon.

You guys worry too much about notions that are no more than fantasy.

If you think programs like FSU and Clemson are going to sit back and go down with the ship, you better think again. Their monied alums and fanbase won’t stand for it

 

[JJacket]

And I would take an 8-4 Tech record with a decent bowl game and a ugag loss (which is going to hapen most times anyway), over a 4-8 record and a win over ugag. Because I do not need to make the daily ugag noise stop to restore my sanity.

It really is just as simple as that.

Good lord, your meekness is astonishing. If we are beating UGAg, we most likely are NOT finishing 4-8, more often than not.

There is not a team in the BIG10 comparable to UGAg except Ohio State, and UGAg > Ohio State.

 

[JJacket]

If you think programs like FSU and Clemson are going to sit back and go down with the ship, you better think again. Their monied alums and fanbase won’t stand for it

Yep, FSU, Clemson, and Miami will be gone. Probably UNC, although that could get some political infighting from UNC, Duke, and Wake.

We will end up in shambles. Metro conference here we come.

 

[1982Jacket]

If you think programs like FSU and Clemson are going to sit back and go down with the ship, you better think again. Their monied alums and fanbase won’t stand for it

Not really anything they can do about it.

They could try to leave. They would get sued, the court would impose an injunction against their leaving, they would ultimately lose, and they would incur a öööö ton in legal fees for nothing.

 

[JJacket]

Not really anythng they can do about it.

They could try to leave. They would get sued, the court would impose an injunction against their leaving, they would ultiately lose, and they would incure a öööö ton in legal fees for nothing.

There would NEVER be an injunction issued to keep them from leaving. In fact, it would probably be settled, ultimately, because the ACC and schools involved would not want the astronomical court costs associated with a drawn out court case. I'd guess the settlement would be some sort of present value calculation plus damages. Clemson and FSU and Miami would gladly pay to escape the ööööshow of the ACC for long term survivability of their programs.

 

[1982Jacket]

There would NEVER be an injunction issued to keep them from leaving. In fact, it would probably be settled, ultimately, because the ACC and schools involved would not want the astronomical court costs associated with a drawn out court case. I'd guess the settlement would be some sort of present value calculation plus damages. Clemson and FSU and Miami would gladly pay to escape the ööööshow of the ACC for long term survivability of their programs.

What law school did you graduate from? I want a good laugh.

 

[GTLiebs]

Clemson and FSU are not getting an invite to the SEC for the same reason we aren’t… money. They sure aren’t going to the B1G. They’re not AAU and won’t be anytime soon.

You guys worry too much about notions that are no more than fantasy.

I think 10 or even 5 years ago, the notion of OU/Texas to the SEC or USC/UCLA to the Big 10 would of been considered fantasy as well. Do you truly believe the Big 10 would Never break that AAU trend even if it meant they couldn't keep up with the SEC anymore?

The latest rounds of conference realignment have really pushed the envelope of what people consider probable possibilities.