Expansion Rumors…

MACHETE said:
What are the odds the ACC gets dismantled and Tech is on the outside looking in? What is to prevent us from landing in say, the AAC?
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We’re trying to leverage one side against the other right now. I don’t think we’re as down as some people think, but we’re really hoping that either the Big 10 is really hungry to get into Atlanta or the SEC thinks they are and wants to prevent that. We’re basically waiting for someone to move and bring us in or someone to blink and we get left out.
I will say, I don’t see how we are less attractive than someone like UVA, Pitt, or Stanford.
 
GT2015 said:


If that's true, then gotta figure GT would be the only option for the B1G to get into the southeast (NCSU not AAU, Wake/Duke too small). We've already gone over the AAU factor and Atlanta market positives for us.
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Honestly, the SEC can go to hell. I wouldn’t join that redneck conference of butt sniffing doofuses if they were the last conference on earth.

I’d appreciate it if my StinGTalk brethren would join me in my contempt for the conference we left on principle - a principle that remains in effect - a disregard for the athlete’s education or future and a focus on sqeezing as much revenue dollars per athlete as is possible.

Dodd left the SEC because the member schools have no soul. The dwags did us a favor by vetoeing our request to rejoin.

We don’t belong there. They know it and deep down we know it.

We can play a few games a year against them but we aren’t them and they aren’t us.

Get used to it.
 
MACHETE said:
What are the odds the ACC gets dismantled and Tech is on the outside looking in? What is to prevent us from landing in say, the AAC?
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Virtually zero. But the ACC becoming effectively the AAC? That probability seems pretty decent
 
THWUGA said:
Virtually zero. But the ACC becoming effectively the AAC? That probability seems pretty decent
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With the ACC paying out $36 mil per team and the Big 10 projected to pay out between $80 and $100 mil per team post realignment, I think you may be right :scared:
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Hopefully this isnt a repost in this very long discussion but it appears that only six schools are needed to break up the grant o' rights?
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FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson would give you 4. UNC would go, but I don't know if the state of NC would make them stick with NC State during the process. I care not a damn thing about UNC or NCST

I hope to God if we go to the Big 10 the Big 10 somehow manages to nab GT, FSU, Clemson, and Miami. I would feel awesome about that.

It would also be cool if they got Washington and Oregon. I'd road trip those.
 
JJacket said:
FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson would give you 4. UNC would go, but I don't know if the state of NC would make them stick with NC State during the process. I care not a damn thing about UNC or NCST

I hope to God if we go to the Big 10 the Big 10 somehow manages to nab GT, FSU, Clemson, and Miami. I would feel awesome about that.

It would also be cool if they got Washington and Oregon. I'd road trip those.
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Duke, UNC, GT, Pitt and UVA are more natural B1G schools (AAU schools) while FSU, Clemson, NCSU and Miami fit the SEC.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Duke, UNC, GT, Pitt and UVA are more natural B1G schools (AAU schools) while FSU, Clemson, NCSU and Miami fit the SEC.
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If you take one VA school you have to take the other - we know that from realignment v1. A lot has been said about UNC-NCSU being the same but I'm not sure we know that.

Pitt is going to be left out of this, and should be. It's not strategic for anyone - was only for the ACC Network to get into PA, and I'm not even sure they delivered the state.

Duke is being left behind as well. This isn't about basketball. Nothing stops Duke from continuing being Duke by being left behind in a basketball conference. NCAA basketball just doesn't work that way. i.e., Gonzaga. Despite their brand, they are not strategic, not worth the dilution.

I'm not sure Miami is either. Geographically, they're a really, really tough fit. They had a football run, sure, but in the grand scheme of things, that's like saying SMU had a football run.

GT, UNC and UVA seem logical for the B1G, in that order - the B1G needs strategic footprint expansion into major markets and growth areas.

Clemson, FSU and GT seem most logical for the SEC, in that order. I'll puke while I say it, but the SEC brand means they don't need footprint expansion - they're the best league, and southeastern college football IS different. These 3 additions reunite historic and ongoing rivalries that fit and enhance that brand. They can't take everyone, but they can lock down their border. The need us the least of the 3, but do they want the B1G in Atlanta every weekend, when they could reunite GT with UGA, UT, Auburn, and Bama in-conference?

Everyone already carries the SEC network. Everyone wants the SEC network. They don't need more subscribers - they want to protect and enhance their brand. These 3 additions lock that up.
 
The SEC isn't negotiating with Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina and Virginia. That's silly.

 
TampaBayJacket said:
Duke, UNC, GT, Pitt and UVA are more natural B1G schools (AAU schools) while FSU, Clemson, NCSU and Miami fit the SEC.
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I have to say, I've gone to a lot of games at Wallace Wade and I've walked around the 7,000 student campus a lot, and never did I think it felt like a Big X school. In fact I got basically the exact opposite vibe.

I understand that the Big X prefers and will maybe even only accept AAU schools, but simply being in the AAU does not make a tiny, elite, private school that doesn't care much about football a natural fit for a conference full of giant public schools that place a high emphasis on football.
 
andrew said:
I have to say, I've gone to a lot of games at Wallace Wade and I've walked around the 7,000 student campus a lot, and never did I think it felt like a Big X school. In fact I got basically the exact opposite vibe.

I understand that the Big X prefers and will maybe even only accept AAU schools, but simply being in the AAU does not make a tiny, elite, private school that doesn't care much about football a natural fit for a conference full of giant public schools that place a high emphasis on football.
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Yeah, Duke may be the odd man out since this is a purely football driven realignment.
 
THWUGA said:
If you take one VA school you have to take the other - we know that from realignment v1. A lot has been said about UNC-NCSU being the same but I'm not sure we know that.

Pitt is going to be left out of this, and should be. It's not strategic for anyone - was only for the ACC Network to get into PA, and I'm not even sure they delivered the state.

Duke is being left behind as well. This isn't about basketball. Nothing stops Duke from continuing being Duke by being left behind in a basketball conference. NCAA basketball just doesn't work that way. i.e., Gonzaga. Despite their brand, they are not strategic, not worth the dilution.

I'm not sure Miami is either. Geographically, they're a really, really tough fit. They had a football run, sure, but in the grand scheme of things, that's like saying SMU had a football run.

GT, UNC and UVA seem logical for the B1G, in that order - the B1G needs strategic footprint expansion into major markets and growth areas.

Clemson, FSU and GT seem most logical for the SEC, in that order. I'll puke while I say it, but the SEC brand means they don't need footprint expansion - they're the best league, and southeastern college football IS different. These 3 additions reunite historic and ongoing rivalries that fit and enhance that brand. They can't take everyone, but they can lock down their border. The need us the least of the 3, but do they want the B1G in Atlanta every weekend, when they could reunite GT with UGA, UT, Auburn, and Bama in-conference?

Everyone already carries the SEC network. Everyone wants the SEC network. They don't need more subscribers - they want to protect and enhance their brand. These 3 additions lock that up.
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Disagree on your ordering of GT, UVa, and UNC. UVa would be a prize for the B1G. The change in carriage fees in NoVa would be huge. VT would serve the same purpose, but doesn’t have AAU status. UVa is most likely handcuffed to VT which would be a nonstarter. UVa only leaves the ACC if VT goes to the SEC.

GT is probably next on the list, but that would depend on B1G alumni in Atlanta. The combination of those alum plus a concentration of GT fans probably does the trick for delivering $ for the B1G network. Being outside the B1G footprint isn’t a big deal for GT since we don’t travel particularly well anyway. Some schools close to manufacturing may see a boost in interest from local GT fans. Schools like Nebraska probably don’t register a blip. UVa and UNC deliver even less local interest outside their state.

UNC is a toss up. They may have enough basketball interest to make their cable rights valuable in NC. I don’t see football driving enough interest in the state for the cable companies to pay more.

Those three schools would be a natural fit for the B1G, but it is a matter of how much value you bring to the conference.
 
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