Expansion Rumors…

Obviously,the best case for GT is if both B10 and SEC expand to 20 teams and so maybe get an offer.
Do ya'll think its a prerequisite that Notre Dame accept the B10 offer for these expansions to happen?? (and that they may be happy with 16 if ND stays independent)
 
The people who scorned even the mention of joining the B1G years ago don’t get to complain about our state of affairs anymore, sorry. You’re all as culpable for our inevitable outcome as the admin.

Related: I’m tired of hearing how smart GT people are. Booksmart, maybe. Strategic? Lol… joke.
 
From UCF rivals board.

Posted this morning by Gene Williams, who is the publisher of Warchant (FSU Rivals):

By now, everyone has heard the news that USC and UCLA will be leaving the Pac-12 for the Big Ten to begin competition in 2024-25. That of course is on the heels of last summer’s news that Texas and Oklahoma were leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. The writing is on the wall that college sports, specifically football, is undergoing a seismic shift. The days of five power conferences are numbered, and it’s trending toward there being just two super-conferences.

This inevitable shift toward two major conferences will have a significant impact on Florida State athletics since it’s currently stuck in the ACC. With that in mind, I’ll share what I’m hearing from various sources on what’s happening with conference expansion, major changes in the college sports landscape and what that could mean for Florida State.

NUGGETS: (July 4, 2022)

I’ve heard from various sources that the SEC and Big Ten are keeping close tabs on each other. The USC-UCLA move was clearly in response to the SEC grabbing Texas and Oklahoma last year. It’s obvious that neither conference is done, and all signs point to expansion accelerating. In fact, we might hear more within the next couple weeks. There is already chatter about Oregon and Washington joining USC and UCLA in the Big Ten. The immediate goal seems to be to get to 18 schools (The Big Ten will be at 16 with USC and UCLA). Same with the SEC, which will be up to 16 with the addition of Texas & OU. But the number in each conference will probably grow beyond just 18. One number I was told is somewhere around 50 total schools between the two conferences when the dust settles. ESPN and Fox will have to be very involved in this and will want to make sure there is enough inventory of games

The most interesting and shocking nugget that came my way from a well-placed TV insider is that the Big Ten is talking to Georgia Tech. I wanted to discount this because Tech obviously isn’t much of a TV draw and has been on the decline for the past few decades. Apparently, the Big Ten did a deep dive into the numbers, think GT can be relevant again and want to get in the Atlanta/Southeast market. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that Atlanta is in the heart of SEC country. And Georgia Tech is another AAU school, which would keep the academics in the Big Ten happy.

Let’s assume there is something to this nugget. If there is, what does that mean for Florida State?

- It’s disheartening that Georgia Tech might get a pass out of the ACC before FSU does, but this could be incredibly positive.

- I didn’t get any details on the question everyone wants to know – ‘How does any ACC school leave the conference and avoid financial ruin with the Grant of Rights running through 2036?’ I didn’t get a straight answer on how that could happen but was told that it would get worked out.

- I’ve been steadfast in my belief that the GOR has a stranglehold on ACC schools looking to get out, but hearing that there could be a path for Georgia Tech to jump to the Big Ten is encouraging. We aren’t privy to all of the details of the deal ESPN/Disney has with the ACC. So, it’s possible there’s something in that agreement that could mitigate the GOR. What also isn't clear is how ESPN and the SEC would answer if the Big Ten expanded again. Would FSU and Clemson be next on their list? Miami? Or would the Big Ten try to push further into the Southeast?

Whatever happens, we have to assume ESPN will come up with a plan to appease ACC schools like Wake, BC and Syracuse that would probably be left out of these Super Conferences. Regardless, I can’t imagine the B1G would be speaking to GT if there was not a potential plan to get around -- or at least mitigate -- the GOR’s hold.

Now that the dust has settled on the Big Ten's latest big move and the holiday weekend, we expect to hear more in the coming days about Florida State's and the ACC's future. So stay tuned.
 
Stinger24 said:
From UCF rivals board.

Posted this morning by Gene Williams, who is the publisher of Warchant (FSU Rivals):

By now, everyone has heard the news that USC and UCLA will be leaving the Pac-12 for the Big Ten to begin competition in 2024-25. That of course is on the heels of last summer’s news that Texas and Oklahoma were leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. The writing is on the wall that college sports, specifically football, is undergoing a seismic shift. The days of five power conferences are numbered, and it’s trending toward there being just two super-conferences.

This inevitable shift toward two major conferences will have a significant impact on Florida State athletics since it’s currently stuck in the ACC. With that in mind, I’ll share what I’m hearing from various sources on what’s happening with conference expansion, major changes in the college sports landscape and what that could mean for Florida State.

NUGGETS: (July 4, 2022)

I’ve heard from various sources that the SEC and Big Ten are keeping close tabs on each other. The USC-UCLA move was clearly in response to the SEC grabbing Texas and Oklahoma last year. It’s obvious that neither conference is done, and all signs point to expansion accelerating. In fact, we might hear more within the next couple weeks. There is already chatter about Oregon and Washington joining USC and UCLA in the Big Ten. The immediate goal seems to be to get to 18 schools (The Big Ten will be at 16 with USC and UCLA). Same with the SEC, which will be up to 16 with the addition of Texas & OU. But the number in each conference will probably grow beyond just 18. One number I was told is somewhere around 50 total schools between the two conferences when the dust settles. ESPN and Fox will have to be very involved in this and will want to make sure there is enough inventory of games

The most interesting and shocking nugget that came my way from a well-placed TV insider is that the Big Ten is talking to Georgia Tech. I wanted to discount this because Tech obviously isn’t much of a TV draw and has been on the decline for the past few decades. Apparently, the Big Ten did a deep dive into the numbers, think GT can be relevant again and want to get in the Atlanta/Southeast market. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that Atlanta is in the heart of SEC country. And Georgia Tech is another AAU school, which would keep the academics in the Big Ten happy.

Let’s assume there is something to this nugget. If there is, what does that mean for Florida State?

- It’s disheartening that Georgia Tech might get a pass out of the ACC before FSU does, but this could be incredibly positive.

- I didn’t get any details on the question everyone wants to know – ‘How does any ACC school leave the conference and avoid financial ruin with the Grant of Rights running through 2036?’ I didn’t get a straight answer on how that could happen but was told that it would get worked out.

- I’ve been steadfast in my belief that the GOR has a stranglehold on ACC schools looking to get out, but hearing that there could be a path for Georgia Tech to jump to the Big Ten is encouraging. We aren’t privy to all of the details of the deal ESPN/Disney has with the ACC. So, it’s possible there’s something in that agreement that could mitigate the GOR. What also isn't clear is how ESPN and the SEC would answer if the Big Ten expanded again. Would FSU and Clemson be next on their list? Miami? Or would the Big Ten try to push further into the Southeast?

Whatever happens, we have to assume ESPN will come up with a plan to appease ACC schools like Wake, BC and Syracuse that would probably be left out of these Super Conferences. Regardless, I can’t imagine the B1G would be speaking to GT if there was not a potential plan to get around -- or at least mitigate -- the GOR’s hold.

Now that the dust has settled on the Big Ten's latest big move and the holiday weekend, we expect to hear more in the coming days about Florida State's and the ACC's future. So stay tuned.
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The collective turd that would be laid by fsu and Clemson if we were to get out of the acc and they got stuck (of even for a few days) would be worth the price of admission.
 
THWUGA said:
The people who scorned even the mention of joining the B1G years ago don’t get to complain about our state of affairs anymore, sorry. You’re all as culpable for our inevitable outcome as the admin.

Related: I’m tired of hearing how smart GT people are. Booksmart, maybe. Strategic? Lol… joke.
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Took the words out of my mouth. There's no worse friend and no better enemy than the GT old guard.
 
Stinger24 said:
From UCF rivals board.

Posted this morning by Gene Williams, who is the publisher of Warchant (FSU Rivals):

By now, everyone has heard the news that USC and UCLA will be leaving the Pac-12 for the Big Ten to begin competition in 2024-25. That of course is on the heels of last summer’s news that Texas and Oklahoma were leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. The writing is on the wall that college sports, specifically football, is undergoing a seismic shift. The days of five power conferences are numbered, and it’s trending toward there being just two super-conferences.

This inevitable shift toward two major conferences will have a significant impact on Florida State athletics since it’s currently stuck in the ACC. With that in mind, I’ll share what I’m hearing from various sources on what’s happening with conference expansion, major changes in the college sports landscape and what that could mean for Florida State.

NUGGETS: (July 4, 2022)

I’ve heard from various sources that the SEC and Big Ten are keeping close tabs on each other. The USC-UCLA move was clearly in response to the SEC grabbing Texas and Oklahoma last year. It’s obvious that neither conference is done, and all signs point to expansion accelerating. In fact, we might hear more within the next couple weeks. There is already chatter about Oregon and Washington joining USC and UCLA in the Big Ten. The immediate goal seems to be to get to 18 schools (The Big Ten will be at 16 with USC and UCLA). Same with the SEC, which will be up to 16 with the addition of Texas & OU. But the number in each conference will probably grow beyond just 18. One number I was told is somewhere around 50 total schools between the two conferences when the dust settles. ESPN and Fox will have to be very involved in this and will want to make sure there is enough inventory of games

The most interesting and shocking nugget that came my way from a well-placed TV insider is that the Big Ten is talking to Georgia Tech. I wanted to discount this because Tech obviously isn’t much of a TV draw and has been on the decline for the past few decades. Apparently, the Big Ten did a deep dive into the numbers, think GT can be relevant again and want to get in the Atlanta/Southeast market. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that Atlanta is in the heart of SEC country. And Georgia Tech is another AAU school, which would keep the academics in the Big Ten happy.

Let’s assume there is something to this nugget. If there is, what does that mean for Florida State?

- It’s disheartening that Georgia Tech might get a pass out of the ACC before FSU does, but this could be incredibly positive.

- I didn’t get any details on the question everyone wants to know – ‘How does any ACC school leave the conference and avoid financial ruin with the Grant of Rights running through 2036?’ I didn’t get a straight answer on how that could happen but was told that it would get worked out.

- I’ve been steadfast in my belief that the GOR has a stranglehold on ACC schools looking to get out, but hearing that there could be a path for Georgia Tech to jump to the Big Ten is encouraging. We aren’t privy to all of the details of the deal ESPN/Disney has with the ACC. So, it’s possible there’s something in that agreement that could mitigate the GOR. What also isn't clear is how ESPN and the SEC would answer if the Big Ten expanded again. Would FSU and Clemson be next on their list? Miami? Or would the Big Ten try to push further into the Southeast?

Whatever happens, we have to assume ESPN will come up with a plan to appease ACC schools like Wake, BC and Syracuse that would probably be left out of these Super Conferences. Regardless, I can’t imagine the B1G would be speaking to GT if there was not a potential plan to get around -- or at least mitigate -- the GOR’s hold.

Now that the dust has settled on the Big Ten's latest big move and the holiday weekend, we expect to hear more in the coming days about Florida State's and the ACC's future. So stay tuned.
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It now appears the ESPN contract with the ACC is the key to unlocking the GOR. If ESPN and the SEC want certain ACC teams, ESPN may be able to eliminate the GOR. As this article says, somebody will have to buy out the teams that neither the SEC nor the BIG 10 want.

We are headed to the BIG 10 or we become irrelevant. We have less value to the SEC and there are SEC teams who will actively oppose letting us into the SEC.
 
JJacket said:
If GT were going to attempt to drag any other school along to a Big 10 invite, my money would be on FSU.
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Why? We have a longer history with Clemson. B1G would probably be more interested in Pitt, UVA, or UNC since they are AAU schools. I really don't foresee us dragging anyone along with us unless that is the recipe for breaking the GOR.
 
Stinger24 said:
From UCF rivals board.

Posted this morning by Gene Williams, who is the publisher of Warchant (FSU Rivals):

By now, everyone has heard the news that USC and UCLA will be leaving the Pac-12 for the Big Ten to begin competition in 2024-25. That of course is on the heels of last summer’s news that Texas and Oklahoma were leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. The writing is on the wall that college sports, specifically football, is undergoing a seismic shift. The days of five power conferences are numbered, and it’s trending toward there being just two super-conferences.

This inevitable shift toward two major conferences will have a significant impact on Florida State athletics since it’s currently stuck in the ACC. With that in mind, I’ll share what I’m hearing from various sources on what’s happening with conference expansion, major changes in the college sports landscape and what that could mean for Florida State.

NUGGETS: (July 4, 2022)

I’ve heard from various sources that the SEC and Big Ten are keeping close tabs on each other. The USC-UCLA move was clearly in response to the SEC grabbing Texas and Oklahoma last year. It’s obvious that neither conference is done, and all signs point to expansion accelerating. In fact, we might hear more within the next couple weeks. There is already chatter about Oregon and Washington joining USC and UCLA in the Big Ten. The immediate goal seems to be to get to 18 schools (The Big Ten will be at 16 with USC and UCLA). Same with the SEC, which will be up to 16 with the addition of Texas & OU. But the number in each conference will probably grow beyond just 18. One number I was told is somewhere around 50 total schools between the two conferences when the dust settles. ESPN and Fox will have to be very involved in this and will want to make sure there is enough inventory of games

The most interesting and shocking nugget that came my way from a well-placed TV insider is that the Big Ten is talking to Georgia Tech. I wanted to discount this because Tech obviously isn’t much of a TV draw and has been on the decline for the past few decades. Apparently, the Big Ten did a deep dive into the numbers, think GT can be relevant again and want to get in the Atlanta/Southeast market. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that Atlanta is in the heart of SEC country. And Georgia Tech is another AAU school, which would keep the academics in the Big Ten happy.

Let’s assume there is something to this nugget. If there is, what does that mean for Florida State?

- It’s disheartening that Georgia Tech might get a pass out of the ACC before FSU does, but this could be incredibly positive.

- I didn’t get any details on the question everyone wants to know – ‘How does any ACC school leave the conference and avoid financial ruin with the Grant of Rights running through 2036?’ I didn’t get a straight answer on how that could happen but was told that it would get worked out.

- I’ve been steadfast in my belief that the GOR has a stranglehold on ACC schools looking to get out, but hearing that there could be a path for Georgia Tech to jump to the Big Ten is encouraging. We aren’t privy to all of the details of the deal ESPN/Disney has with the ACC. So, it’s possible there’s something in that agreement that could mitigate the GOR. What also isn't clear is how ESPN and the SEC would answer if the Big Ten expanded again. Would FSU and Clemson be next on their list? Miami? Or would the Big Ten try to push further into the Southeast?

Whatever happens, we have to assume ESPN will come up with a plan to appease ACC schools like Wake, BC and Syracuse that would probably be left out of these Super Conferences. Regardless, I can’t imagine the B1G would be speaking to GT if there was not a potential plan to get around -- or at least mitigate -- the GOR’s hold.

Now that the dust has settled on the Big Ten's latest big move and the holiday weekend, we expect to hear more in the coming days about Florida State's and the ACC's future. So stay tuned.
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If GT had any balls, they would back channel the SEC and tell them we’re in if you want us; otherwise, we’re BIG10 bound. My guess is that won’t happen and we’re destined for yankee football or stuck in the meaningless ACC. What a time to be alive.
 
CornerBlitz said:
If GT had any balls, they would back channel the SEC and tell them we’re in if you want us; otherwise, we’re BIG10 bound. My guess is that won’t happen and we’re destined for yankee football or stuck in the meaningless ACC. What a time to be alive.
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You’re looking at this wrong. There’s about to be two massive national conferences and we need to be in one of them.
 
savbandjacket said:
You’re looking at this wrong. There’s about to be two massive national conferences and we need to be in one of them.
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Yep. I’d personally (if it was up to me ) prefer the SEC for traditional rivalries and proximity, but I’d much prefer getting into the BIG rather than to be stuck in an increasingly irrelevant ACC.
 
Stinger24 said:
From UCF rivals board.

Posted this morning by Gene Williams, who is the publisher of Warchant (FSU Rivals):

By now, everyone has heard the news that USC and UCLA will be leaving the Pac-12 for the Big Ten to begin competition in 2024-25. That of course is on the heels of last summer’s news that Texas and Oklahoma were leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. The writing is on the wall that college sports, specifically football, is undergoing a seismic shift. The days of five power conferences are numbered, and it’s trending toward there being just two super-conferences.

This inevitable shift toward two major conferences will have a significant impact on Florida State athletics since it’s currently stuck in the ACC. With that in mind, I’ll share what I’m hearing from various sources on what’s happening with conference expansion, major changes in the college sports landscape and what that could mean for Florida State.

NUGGETS: (July 4, 2022)

I’ve heard from various sources that the SEC and Big Ten are keeping close tabs on each other. The USC-UCLA move was clearly in response to the SEC grabbing Texas and Oklahoma last year. It’s obvious that neither conference is done, and all signs point to expansion accelerating. In fact, we might hear more within the next couple weeks. There is already chatter about Oregon and Washington joining USC and UCLA in the Big Ten. The immediate goal seems to be to get to 18 schools (The Big Ten will be at 16 with USC and UCLA). Same with the SEC, which will be up to 16 with the addition of Texas & OU. But the number in each conference will probably grow beyond just 18. One number I was told is somewhere around 50 total schools between the two conferences when the dust settles. ESPN and Fox will have to be very involved in this and will want to make sure there is enough inventory of games

The most interesting and shocking nugget that came my way from a well-placed TV insider is that the Big Ten is talking to Georgia Tech. I wanted to discount this because Tech obviously isn’t much of a TV draw and has been on the decline for the past few decades. Apparently, the Big Ten did a deep dive into the numbers, think GT can be relevant again and want to get in the Atlanta/Southeast market. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that Atlanta is in the heart of SEC country. And Georgia Tech is another AAU school, which would keep the academics in the Big Ten happy.

Let’s assume there is something to this nugget. If there is, what does that mean for Florida State?

- It’s disheartening that Georgia Tech might get a pass out of the ACC before FSU does, but this could be incredibly positive.

- I didn’t get any details on the question everyone wants to know – ‘How does any ACC school leave the conference and avoid financial ruin with the Grant of Rights running through 2036?’ I didn’t get a straight answer on how that could happen but was told that it would get worked out.

- I’ve been steadfast in my belief that the GOR has a stranglehold on ACC schools looking to get out, but hearing that there could be a path for Georgia Tech to jump to the Big Ten is encouraging. We aren’t privy to all of the details of the deal ESPN/Disney has with the ACC. So, it’s possible there’s something in that agreement that could mitigate the GOR. What also isn't clear is how ESPN and the SEC would answer if the Big Ten expanded again. Would FSU and Clemson be next on their list? Miami? Or would the Big Ten try to push further into the Southeast?

Whatever happens, we have to assume ESPN will come up with a plan to appease ACC schools like Wake, BC and Syracuse that would probably be left out of these Super Conferences. Regardless, I can’t imagine the B1G would be speaking to GT if there was not a potential plan to get around -- or at least mitigate -- the GOR’s hold.

Now that the dust has settled on the Big Ten's latest big move and the holiday weekend, we expect to hear more in the coming days about Florida State's and the ACC's future. So stay tuned.
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On the decline for the past few decades? öööö that guy. We’ve had a few blips (1994, 2015, CGC) but we’ve otherwise been decent to occasionally quite good for the last 30+ years.

JRjr
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
It now appears the ESPN contract with the ACC is the key to unlocking the GOR. If ESPN and the SEC want certain ACC teams, ESPN may be able to eliminate the GOR. As this article says, somebody will have to buy out the teams that neither the SEC nor the BIG 10 want.

We are headed to the BIG 10 or we become irrelevant. We have less value to the SEC and there are SEC teams who will actively oppose letting us into the SEC.
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ESPN/Disney obviously has a lot of pull here. It would be a hoot if ESPN/Disney threw UCF into the pool of schools. UCF has strong Disney ties and could probably make a strong AAU application.
 
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