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I'm not 100% sold on Deion either because it's still a crapshoot on whether his coaching ability is that good or if it's just the talent gap between who he has and the rest of his opponents. I have no doubt though that he would bring talent here. For starters, his sons and Travis Hunter will likely follow him wherever he goes.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
Not at an FCS program he didn't. He rode the coattails of Rhule at Temple, and ended up making the program worse.
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Collins brought in multiple 4* guys here and got some 4* transfers. Yet he couldn't turn the program around because he couldn't' coach.

When everyone else is only pulling in FCS talent, a few 4* can hide a LOT of flaws in coaching.
 
QuadF said:
Collins brought in multiple 4* guys here and got some 4* transfers. Yet he couldn't turn the program around because he couldn't' coach.

When everyone else is only pulling in FCS talent, a few 4* can hide a LOT of flaws in coaching.
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Yes, but 4 stars in power 5 are as common as white people in a grocery store at the threat of a snow storm. In FCS, you might get 1 or two over the whole FCS. Deion got (and this is a crapshoot number, but I'm estimating) roughly 20 4 stars just to his team alone.
 
QuadF said:
Collins brought in multiple 4* guys here and got some 4* transfers. Yet he couldn't turn the program around because he couldn't' coach.

When everyone else is only pulling in FCS talent, a few 4* can hide a LOT of flaws in coaching.
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He hired ööööty assistant coaches and coordinators. His talent evaluation wasn't great either. How many of his recruits have lived up to their ranking?

There is lots at play here. You don't completely rule out a strategy if you think you can implement it better with someone else.

I'm not sold on him, but you have to take a serious look at him.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
Yes, but 4 stars in power 5 are as common as white people in a grocery store at the threat of a snow storm. In FCS, you might get 1 or two over the whole FCS. Deion got (and this is a crapshoot number, but I'm estimating) roughly 20 4 stars just to his team alone.
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05GTCorndog said:
He hired ööööty assistant coaches and coordinators. His talent evaluation wasn't great either. How many of his recruits have lived up to their ranking?

There is lots at play here. You don't completely rule out a strategy if you think you can implement it better with someone else.

I'm not sold on him, but you have to take a serious look at him.
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That's part of my point. Deion missing on evaluating a 4* is still going to land him with talent far higher than everyone else and talent can cover a lot of bad coaching.

I'm not saying we shouldn't even consider Deion, but a recruit first strategy has to be backed up by good coaching. We don't know that Deion is a good coach or if he's just a really good salesman. We don't even know if he's a consistent salesman because of how short his career is. Considering the risks, I'd rather have a solid football coach and us hire a recruiting staff that can support their branding. This is a cheaper, far safer strategy. Going all in on Deion is just rolling the dice for the next Geoff Collins.
 
georgiatech22 said:
I definitely don't want Todd Monken. He was not successful as HC at Southern Miss and really hasn't been successful aside from being OC at UGA.
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Todd knows what's wrong with us, granted it's a ton. He has to gameplan against us every year. Plus, we get key info to the dwags, AND dwag fans would be pissed. Sounds like a win win.
 
QuadF said:
That's part of my point. Deion missing on evaluating a 4* is still going to land him with talent far higher than everyone else and talent can cover a lot of bad coaching.

I'm not saying we shouldn't even consider Deion, but a recruit first strategy has to be backed up by good coaching. We don't know that Deion is a good coach or if he's just a really good salesman. We don't even know if he's a consistent salesman because of how short his career is. Considering the risks, I'd rather have a solid football coach and us hire a recruiting staff that can support their branding. This is a cheaper, far safer strategy. Going all in on Deion is just rolling the dice for the next Geoff Collins.
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Deion isn't satisfied winning 49-7. He's cut from the same bloodline as PJ coachingwise. and PJ is one of the best coaches I've ever seen, whether you like his scheme or not.
 
Deion has other goals - based on interviews and what I've read, he's really focused on bolstering the visibility of HBCUs. I, for one, applaud him for doing so. I just don't think he's going to be ready to abandon a somewhat altruistic vision for HBCUs to take a job at Tech. He doesn't need the money of a P5 coaching job and he has no connection to our school (other than whooping on Tech in FSU's glory days).
 
JacketFan77 said:
Deion has other goals - based on interviews and what I've read, he's really focused on bolstering the visibility of HBCUs. I, for one, applaud him for doing so. I just don't think he's going to be ready to abandon a somewhat altruistic vision for HBCUs to take a job at Tech. He doesn't need the money of a P5 coaching job and he has no connection to our school (other than whooping on Tech in FSU's glory days).
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Not according to this. He just wants the right school to offer him.

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Deion Sanders Interviewed For Several Power 5 Gigs | "I Was So Darn Good The Guy Asked Me When I Could Start"

The college football world saw all of the reports about Power 5 Schools trying to disrupt Deion Sanders’ HBCU flow by offering him interview opportunities
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JacketFan77 said:
Deion has other goals - based on interviews and what I've read, he's really focused on bolstering the visibility of HBCUs. I, for one, applaud him for doing so. I just don't think he's going to be ready to abandon a somewhat altruistic vision for HBCUs to take a job at Tech. He doesn't need the money of a P5 coaching job and he has no connection to our school (other than whooping on Tech in FSU's glory days).
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He can do good work in Atlanta, too, though. Schedule an HBCU every year as our FCS and make it a feel good event.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Mullen would be an awful hire. He can coach, but got lazy at Florida and couldn't succeed with their unlimited resources.
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Also unlimited pressure the likes of which he will not see at GT. People want to point out his Florida failure while ignoring his success at MS State. I would say Tech has a lot more in common with MS State (not academics obviously, just athletics) than with Florida. I think you can win a National Championship at Tech in a good year, but we aren't going to demand title-or-bust annually like Florida will, and quite honestly should given their recruiting.
 
QuadF said:
Collins brought in multiple 4* guys here and got some 4* transfers. Yet he couldn't turn the program around because he couldn't' coach.

When everyone else is only pulling in FCS talent, a few 4* can hide a LOT of flaws in coaching.
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His 4* transfers were basically washouts that we took in like strays. To act like he was a good recruiter is to laser focus on his one good class and especially Gibbs. Take away Choice's recruits which pretty much carried every class, and I doubt anyone would say Collins can recruit. He did prove that GT can attract top players, which is a datapoint we desperately needed to understand. We needed to get past the "nobody good wants to come here" woe is me bullshit.

Some people are really, really missing the boat on Deion, and I tell you why. Deion would be a mediocre candidate 10 years ago. Back then you had to build a program. Hell, three years ago when we hired collins you had to build a program. The seismic shift to free transfers at will, and paid players, ends the days of building a program.

There is no head coach out there that will be a magnet for attracting top players like Deion. Nobody even close. The blueblood programs can attract top players, but its the programs doing that, not the coach. We would be the first to attempt to build a team off a cult of personality. And I don't see how that would not be wildly successful. We would be on every transfer list on day one if we hired Deion. Black kids want to be in Atlanta.

Obviously the risk is can we then take top talent and win with it? Sure. Look at Clemson beating Wake. Wake is us going with the world class coaching staff option. Clemson is us going with a team of 4s and 5s.

It is obvious Deion and his staff at JSU are good enough to win games. They are not clueless. And if they can't sustain that 11-2/4-0 level of success when they move up to the big leagues, it will be easier to attract top position coach replacements after Deion comes in and pulls the top recruits.
 
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