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Why not McGee? He'd be on my short list.
What has he done other than recruit well at UGA? I don’t know that recruiting well at Georgia is a difficult task or something I should be impressed with.

Give me someone who has won at the head coach level in a scenario where they’ve had to compete against schools who have talent and financial advantages.
 
His 4* transfers were basically washouts that we took in like strays. To act like he was a good recruiter is to laser focus on his one good class and especially Gibbs. Take away Choice's recruits which pretty much carried every class, and I doubt anyone would say Collins can recruit. He did prove that GT can attract top players, which is a datapoint we desperately needed to understand. We needed to get past the "nobody good wants to come here" woe is me bullshit.

Some people are really, really missing the boat on Deion, and I tell you why. Deion would be a mediocre candidate 10 years ago. Back then you had to build a program. Hell, three years ago when we hired collins you had to build a program. The seismic shift to free transfers at will, and paid players, ends the days of building a program.

There is no head coach out there that will be a magnet for attracting top players like Deion. Nobody even close. The blueblood programs can attract top players, but its the programs doing that, not the coach. We would be the first to attempt to build a team off a cult of personality. And I don't see how that would not be wildly successful. We would be on every transfer list on day one if we hired Deion. Black kids want to be in Atlanta.

Obviously the risk is can we then take top talent and win with it? Sure. Look at Clemson beating Wake. Wake is us going with the world class coaching staff option. Clemson is us going with a team of 4s and 5s.

It is obvious Deion and his staff at JSU are good enough to win games. They are not clueless. And if they can't sustain that 11-2/4-0 level of success when they move up to the big leagues, it will be easier to attract top position coach replacements after Deion comes in and pulls the top recruits.

I hear you on some of the pros, but i think you're missing my point. Collin's 4* washouts would still be all-stars in FCS. Deion has wide latitude on evaluation because he's already pulling from a pool so far ahead of everyone else in FCS. He doesn't have to be a good evaluator just a good salesman. A lot of fonts here like to say that Key can't coach and his success at bama was because he had 5*/4* talent to beat up on lesser p5 teams. If Deion is given 4* talent to beat up on 2*/1* FCS teams, that wouldn't require a ton of coaching would it? In fact, given the assertion that he has more 4*s than many p5 schools, that he ever loses against FCS teams despite having p5 level talent should be pretty thoughtfully considered.

I don't know what his sales pitch is, but if it's "help me rebuild a HBCU," how well will that message translate to Tech? Maybe he can do that, but he doesn't have a track record of success with anything other than his current sales pitch which probably doesn't work here. Plus, he won't be facing FCS level talent here; he'll be playing against teams that will recruit better than he does (uga & clemson). He has to develop the players.

So, while I'll give Deion credit for pulling in a lot of star rankings, that doesn't mean it can transfer to Tech. It's just too much risk imho.
 
He had one bad year in 2018 at USC. Also remember that he came in after the Sark fiasco.
1 bad year? Are you kidding? 2019 USC went 8-5 and were blown out numerous times. He had some of the worst recruiting classes USC has had since before PC. The COVID 2020 team won 3 games off a flukes and were exposed by a mediocre Oregon team in the P12 championship game. 2021 he was let go when the writing was clearly on the wall.

Helton is Gailey 2.0. He would get GT to 6-6 every year, with the occasional 7 win season. At this point that looks good, but GT fans would eventually want him gone.
 
Collins brought in multiple 4* guys here and got some 4* transfers. Yet he couldn't turn the program around because he couldn't' coach.

When everyone else is only pulling in FCS talent, a few 4* can hide a LOT of flaws in coaching.
You’re glossing over some facts here. Yes, Collins brought in some 4* players, but facts are facts. When other ACC coaches say the following it says it all. From Athlons:

"They've recruited a bunch of guys that other staffs think are overrated. That's fine, you have differences in evaluations, but they aren't a development program either."

If you look at the 4* transfers, none of them could start or seem to crack the 2 deep at their previous school. They were risk / reward picks. The top 2 transfers based on production to date have been from Maryland and ODU. Neither of which were 4* players.
 
I hear you on some of the pros, but i think you're missing my point. Collin's 4* washouts would still be all-stars in FCS. Deion has wide latitude on evaluation because he's already pulling from a pool so far ahead of everyone else in FCS. He doesn't have to be a good evaluator just a good salesman. A lot of fonts here like to say that Key can't coach and his success at bama was because he had 5*/4* talent to beat up on lesser p5 teams. If Deion is given 4* talent to beat up on 2*/1* FCS teams, that wouldn't require a ton of coaching would it? In fact, given the assertion that he has more 4*s than many p5 schools, that he ever loses against FCS teams despite having p5 level talent should be pretty thoughtfully considered.

I don't know what his sales pitch is, but if it's "help me rebuild a HBCU," how well will that message translate to Tech? Maybe he can do that, but he doesn't have a track record of success with anything other than his current sales pitch which probably doesn't work here. Plus, he won't be facing FCS level talent here; he'll be playing against teams that will recruit better than he does (uga & clemson). He has to develop the players.

So, while I'll give Deion credit for pulling in a lot of star rankings, that doesn't mean it can transfer to Tech. It's just too much risk imho.


Choice was an excellent recruiter and brought our best recruit since CJ. Imagine the kids that Deon could recruit to Tech. If Deon comes, we need to open up the check books and make sure he has talented coordinators so we don't end up in the same situation we were just in, marketing and hype with piss poor development and play calling.
 
Also unlimited pressure the likes of which he will not see at GT. People want to point out his Florida failure while ignoring his success at MS State. I would say Tech has a lot more in common with MS State (not academics obviously, just athletics) than with Florida. I think you can win a National Championship at Tech in a good year, but we aren't going to demand title-or-bust annually like Florida will, and quite honestly should given their recruiting.
Mullen was actively pursuing an NFL job while at UF in 2020. Add in the fact that he doesn’t like to recruit. His personality towards the media was also a negative. GT already has enough issues with getting any coverage as it is now. That doesn’t bode well for a GT program that is not on the top of the lists for 4* players in-state now. Mullen was continually losing the best players from the Jax area to UGA, Clemson, Bama and Ohio State.

Mullen would not last longer than 3 years at GT.
 
Choice was an excellent recruiter and brought our best recruit since CJ. Imagine the kids that Deon could recruit to Tech. If Deon comes, we need to open up the check books and make sure he has talented coordinators so we don't end up in the same situation we were just in, marketing and hype with piss poor development and play calling.
I hope whoever is hired as HC will consider Choice for a position on the staff.
 
You’re glossing over some facts here. Yes, Collins brought in some 4* players, but facts are facts. When other ACC coaches say the following it says it all. From Athlons:

"They've recruited a bunch of guys that other staffs think are overrated. That's fine, you have differences in evaluations, but they aren't a development program either."

If you look at the 4* transfers, none of them could start or seem to crack the 2 deep at their previous school. They were risk / reward picks. The top 2 transfers based on production to date have been from Maryland and ODU. Neither of which were 4* players.

Yes, i was glossing over details for brevity. I was trying to make a point in the conversation that I think you might've missed from this snippet.

Collin's 4* washouts would still be all-stars in FCS. Deion has wide latitude on evaluation because he's already pulling from a pool so far ahead of everyone else in FCS. He doesn't have to be a good evaluator just a good salesman. A lot of fonts here like to say that Key can't coach and his success at bama was because he had 5*/4* talent to beat up on lesser p5 teams. If Deion is given 4* talent to beat up on 2*/1* FCS teams, that wouldn't require a ton of coaching would it? In fact, given the assertion that he has more 4*s than many p5 schools, that he ever loses against FCS teams despite having p5 level talent should be pretty thoughtfully considered.
 
Mullen was actively pursuing an NFL job while at UF in 2020. Add in the fact that he doesn’t like to recruit. His personality towards the media was also a negative. GT already has enough issues with getting any coverage as it is now. That doesn’t bode well for a GT program that is not on the top of the lists for 4* players in-state now. Mullen was continually losing the best players from the Jax area to UGA, Clemson, Bama and Ohio State.

Mullen would not last longer than 3 years at GT.

What's the basis for your belief that "he doesn’t like to recruit"?

Recruiting rankings per 247:
2018 - 14th
2019 - 9th
2020 - 9th
2021 - 12th

It seems rather bizarre for someone to be top 10 recruiting for back to back years if they don't like it and are "continually losing the best players".
 
Mullen actually knows how to develop a QB and run an offense
Maybe. But I get the feeling if he happened to be successful here he would take the next better train that came along outta dodge.
 
Maybe. But I get the feeling if he happened to be successful here he would take the next better train that came along outta dodge.

If we want a coach that won't leave it'll either because they view GT as the destination (like GC), they aren't desired by others (monken), they suck (like GC), or GT pays them to stay (unlikely).
 
Choice was an excellent recruiter and brought our best recruit since CJ. Imagine the kids that Deon could recruit to Tech. If Deon comes, we need to open up the check books and make sure he has talented coordinators so we don't end up in the same situation we were just in, marketing and hype with piss poor development and play calling.

Lol. If GT was willing to pay, we wouldnt be where we are now.
 
What's the basis for your belief that "he doesn’t like to recruit"?

Recruiting rankings per 247:
2018 - 14th
2019 - 9th
2020 - 9th
2021 - 12th

It seems rather bizarre for someone to be top 10 recruiting for back to back years if they don't like it and are "continually losing the best players".
Mullen has said himself he doesn't recruit during the season. That is prime recruiting time and when the best evaluations can be made.
 
Mullen has said himself he doesn't recruit during the season. That is prime recruiting time and when the best evaluations can be made.
Given that he was fired, if hired for a new P5 and a chance to ressurect his career it's possible he might have changed his position on that.
 
Mullen has said himself he doesn't recruit during the season. That is prime recruiting time and when the best evaluations can be made.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If he's landing those classes who cares?
 
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