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I'm not sure any coach can make Tech really special ( 9+ wins) in this NIL era.We just don't have the money,alumni base, nor academic setup to do it.
Deion would be the high risk ,high reward candidate.Big splash but but may leave quickly (also, does he bring his son?) Chadwell maybe the best of "normal" stepping -up candidates.
Remains to be seen who is really interested though.
 
AlaGold said:
I'm not sure any coach can make Tech really special ( 9+ wins) in this NIL era.We just don't have the money,alumni base, nor academic setup to do it.
Deion would be the high risk ,high reward candidate.Big splash but but may leave quickly (also, does he bring his son?) Chadwell maybe the best of "normal" stepping -up candidates.
Remains to be seen who is really interested though.
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Tech recruited his son. Deion could get meetings for NIL deals, at least get his foot in the door, where other coaches couldn't.
 
GTCrew said:
His 4* transfers were basically washouts that we took in like strays. To act like he was a good recruiter is to laser focus on his one good class and especially Gibbs. Take away Choice's recruits which pretty much carried every class, and I doubt anyone would say Collins can recruit. He did prove that GT can attract top players, which is a datapoint we desperately needed to understand. We needed to get past the "nobody good wants to come here" woe is me bullshit.

Some people are really, really missing the boat on Deion, and I tell you why. Deion would be a mediocre candidate 10 years ago. Back then you had to build a program. Hell, three years ago when we hired collins you had to build a program. The seismic shift to free transfers at will, and paid players, ends the days of building a program.

There is no head coach out there that will be a magnet for attracting top players like Deion. Nobody even close. The blueblood programs can attract top players, but its the programs doing that, not the coach. We would be the first to attempt to build a team off a cult of personality. And I don't see how that would not be wildly successful. We would be on every transfer list on day one if we hired Deion. Black kids want to be in Atlanta.

Obviously the risk is can we then take top talent and win with it? Sure. Look at Clemson beating Wake. Wake is us going with the world class coaching staff option. Clemson is us going with a team of 4s and 5s.

It is obvious Deion and his staff at JSU are good enough to win games. They are not clueless. And if they can't sustain that 11-2/4-0 level of success when they move up to the big leagues, it will be easier to attract top position coach replacements after Deion comes in and pulls the top recruits.
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Yep, Deion is the great equalizer when it comes to making Tech competitive in the age of NIL. He would do what Collins tried to do from a marketing perspective and then some.
 
QuadF said:
Collins brought in multiple 4* guys here and got some 4* transfers. Yet he couldn't turn the program around because he couldn't' coach.

When everyone else is only pulling in FCS talent, a few 4* can hide a LOT of flaws in coaching.
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Well we got 4* results, but it was on a 20* scale.
 
QuadF said:
I hear you on some of the pros, but i think you're missing my point. Collin's 4* washouts would still be all-stars in FCS. Deion has wide latitude on evaluation because he's already pulling from a pool so far ahead of everyone else in FCS. He doesn't have to be a good evaluator just a good salesman. A lot of fonts here like to say that Key can't coach and his success at bama was because he had 5*/4* talent to beat up on lesser p5 teams. If Deion is given 4* talent to beat up on 2*/1* FCS teams, that wouldn't require a ton of coaching would it?
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Deion went 11-2 in his first full year. He did have a half covid year, but still, he is beating these guys largely with what he inherited, not a stacked team of 4 star talent.

In fact, given the assertion that he has more 4*s than many p5 schools, that he ever loses against FCS teams despite having p5 level talent should be pretty thoughtfully considered.
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Think hard about what you are saying here: If he loses in the future? He won't last there long enough to find out if he can sustain a FCS program.

I don't know what his sales pitch is, but if it's "help me rebuild a HBCU," how well will that message translate to Tech? Maybe he can do that, but he doesn't have a track record of success with anything other than his current sales pitch which probably doesn't work here. Plus, he won't be facing FCS level talent here; he'll be playing against teams that will recruit better than he does (uga & clemson). He has to develop the players.

So, while I'll give Deion credit for pulling in a lot of star rankings, that doesn't mean it can transfer to Tech. It's just too much risk imho.
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I'm not aware of this "pitch" speculation strawman you have created.

Are you saying GT, in ATL, is harder to recruit a top athlete to than JSU in nowhere Mississippi?
 
GTCrew said:
Deion went 11-2 in his first full year. He did have a half covid year, but still, he is beating these guys largely with what he inherited, not a stacked team of 4 star talent.

Think hard about what you are saying here: If he loses in the future? He won't last there long enough to find out if he can sustain a FCS program.

I'm not aware of this "pitch" speculation strawman you have created.

Are you saying GT, in ATL, is harder to recruit a top athlete to than JSU in nowhere Mississippi?
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I haven't looked at who is above the line, but my speculation is that if he's close to the 20 4*s that CNJ stated they're all starting as they should be better than the fcs level talent he inherited. I expect that GTs freshmen team (under a good coach) should beat an fcs team 9/10 times.

If you don't see the problem of gambling on the latest attraction I don't think we're of the same perspective. At least Collins had fbs experience and we know how that went. Chasing prime at this point in his career is recklessness.

I didn't create the pitch; I was giving a nod to jacketfan77s post. Deion has previously called for hbcu combines, so it seems accurate. As he's your guy, I thought you'd at least more familiar with him than me.

JacketFan77 said:
Deion has other goals - based on interviews and what I've read, he's really focused on bolstering the visibility of HBCUs. I, for one, applaud him for doing so. I just don't think he's going to be ready to abandon a somewhat altruistic vision for HBCUs to take a job at Tech. He doesn't need the money of a P5 coaching job and he has no connection to our school (other than whooping on Tech in FSU's glory days).
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QuadF said:
I haven't looked at who is above the line, but my speculation is that if he's close to the 20 4*s that CNJ stated they're all starting as they should be better than the fcs level talent he inherited. I expect that GTs freshmen team (under a good coach) should beat an fcs team 9/10 times.

If you don't see the problem of gambling on the latest attraction I don't think we're of the same perspective. At least Collins had fbs experience and we know how that went. Chasing prime at this point in his career is recklessness.

I didn't create the pitch; I was giving a nod to jacketfan77s post. Deion has previously called for hbcu combines, so it seems accurate. As he's your guy, I thought you'd at least more familiar with him than me.
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That doesn't align with it being the magic pitch behind his recruiting success. Sounds like plain old coachspeak from the HBC at a HBCU.

Twenty 4*s includes this year's class. He improved in 2020 without any recruits. He had 5 four stars in the 2021 class. Two of those were WR. Best WR at JSU, right?

No, actually they had 5 receptions for 45 yards per ESPN. Best receivers were a 3 star senior xfer from W.Illinois and a 3 star senior xfer from U Ohio. They have 51 catches and 576 yards so far.

They had a 4 star DT. 10th DT in the country. Surely he would be dominating from day 1, right? Actually he played in 7 games, 14 tackles (3 solo) 2.5 TFL and 1.5 sacks, no stats or news for this year. They do have a 4(3) star Xfer from Missouri who is second on the team in tackles, but the leader is a 2 star and the third is a no star (WO) xfer from Tennessee. On offense his son was 4 star and has solid stats.

He is demonstrating every aspect of college football success with a very small dataset. But the real problem for GT is the mentality of fans that it is 1956 and we can demand a proven, successful BCS head coach and staff and pay for them.

There will be zero chance the guy we pick will be a proven, successful BCS coach. At least unless we do the unthinkable and give a toxic coach a second chance (I'm fine with that personally).

If we take a "proven" BCS HC, they will have a resume of Geoff level success and the fanbase will rightfully seek a divorce en masse. Definition of insanity.

We either have to hire a lower level coach (G5 with a "quirky"* offense that scares off P5 bluebloods) or a "D2,3,4" with proven success that deserves a P5 shot

OR

We take a chance on a guy who is a singular entity of unparalleled recruiting success and remarkable W/L record but on a very short track record. If the guy had a longer track record, he would be on every list there is.

*i.e. has significant elements of option rushing
 
Deion would eat the transfer portal like apple sauce.

But the question is coordinators. Would he attract and retain a quality OC and DC? That's the question for any of these coaches. They need to be clinically obsessed with surrounding themselves with excellence a la "Level 5 Leadership" in Good to Great.

A chronic inability to admit mistakes and make changes was (along with timeouts) CGC's downfall. If the new guy can lead with humility and make strong hires, he'll succeed. We're in the best recruiting grounds in the country and that'll pay off when we find the right guy.

I'm cautiously optimistic with Cabrera (1) sending a message by firing the clown and his handler on the same day, and (2) outsourcing the search.
 
Let me add I think a coordinator is a disasterous option for us. If we take a coordinator, the apathy in the fanbase will intensify, I don't care how "hot" the coordinator is. And coordinators can't bring their whole staff so they have to beg and scrape to fill out the staff which then needs time to get their sea legs and then time to gel and weed out the mistake hires and we don't have time for that.

People who don't know footballs are brown know Deion. The most casual football fan knows Coastal has it going on. If the choice isn't one of those two, there better be documented evidence that they turned us down with an offer at least as big as the putz we settle for.

We need to lock up Deion and his staff now, before anything else happens and anyone else gets fired. And if not him then the Coastal staff. He can finish out his season, but I want to see Shedeur Sanders under center in the spring game.
 
QuadF said:
If we want a coach that won't leave it'll either because they view GT as the destination (like GC), they aren't desired by others (monken), they suck (like GC), or GT pays them to stay (unlikely).
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If we start filling the stadium on GameDay because we are winning 10+ games a season consistently and beating the gaggers, paying SEC money for a coach won't be an issue for GT.
 
Flywheel said:
Deion would eat the transfer portal like apple sauce.

But the question is coordinators. Would he attract and retain a quality OC and DC? That's the question for any of these coaches. They need to be clinically obsessed with surrounding themselves with excellence a la "Level 5 Leadership" in Good to Great.

A chronic inability to admit mistakes and make changes was (along with timeouts) CGC's downfall. If the new guy can lead with humility and make strong hires, he'll succeed. We're in the best recruiting grounds in the country and that'll pay off when we find the right guy.

I'm cautiously optimistic with Cabrera (1) sending a message by firing the clown and his handler on the same day, and (2) outsourcing the search.
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Deion can do what he wants, but I hope he brings the staff he has. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. If we have ANY concern about them being ready for the ACC, and frankly I do not, the AA needs to spend some money hiring ex coaches as consultants like Alabama does.
 
GTCrew said:
Deion can do what he wants, but I hope he brings the staff he has. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. If we have ANY concern about them being ready for the ACC, and frankly I do not, the AA needs to spend some money hiring ex coaches as consultants like Alabama does.
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Is there no chance to bring Eric Henderson as DC? He's never been a DC before I don't think, correct? Maybe he needs a year or two as a coordinator before making that jump to head coach.
 
Deion would be a thunder and lightning hire. I think the odds he would agree to it are low. But maybe he wants a challenge. He would win here and immediately turn this program around.

I have studied Deion. Deion was disciplined throughout his college and professional career and worked his ass off to win. He was a winner because he chose to make himself a winner. Deion is a teetotaler (I’m not). But he did not want alcohol, drugs or anything interfering with his performance. He values winning that much. I admire that.

Deion studied his opponents, and those were heavy weights like Jerry Rice. He made sure he was at his best every second the game was on.

He will recruit huge. And he would instill discipline and an understanding of how to win.

That’s is psyche GT needs.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Mullen would be an awful hire. He can coach, but got lazy at Florida and couldn't succeed with their unlimited resources.
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29-9 in his first three years. Easily their best stretch since Urban Meyer. Last year was a train wreck, but his track record suggests that's an anomaly.
 
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