If StinGTalk is representative of the fan base

[LongforDodd]

CPJ is perfect by no means, but if Tech could admit more talented players by lowering admission standards and offering other degree programs, our problems would be solved a lot quicker.

It's hard to compete when most other schools we play against have a "fog the mirror test" for admissions standards.

This horse has been beaten ad nauseam though.

Yes that horse is dead but not making a bowl game in this day and time is absolutely pathetic.

 

[LegendaryGT]

It is a very good reason to not have him make a pass on 3rd and long with the game on the line. The pass was complete, first down, and we were in the red zone when another player fumbled the ball.

The decision was sound, and didn't cost us anything. They had shut down TO on successive plays, the defense had adjusted to the run left / run right playbook.

TO stopped on back to back plays: "He's done, sit him."

CPJ fields sloppy teams in back to back seasons: "Give him some time, let this play out."

It's an interesting dichotomy that most people who are inverted on the first statement are also inverted on the second. Not saying anyone is wrong, I just find that interesting.

 

[beej67]

I think a very large number of GT fans are garbage, probably worse than Stingtalk. It's hard for me to even watch a game around them nowadays. They just make everything around them miserable.

 

[coit]

TO stopped on back to back plays: "He's done, sit him."

CPJ fields sloppy teams in back to back seasons: "Give him some time, let this play out."

It's an interesting dichotomy that most people who are inverted on the first statement are also inverted on the second. Not saying anyone is wrong, I just find that interesting.

It isn't the same thing at all. I'm going out on a limb and say that CPJ knows TO's abilities and limitations better than you or I do. And the decision worked. Why dwell on it?

 

[LegendaryGT]

It isn't the same thing at all. I'm going out on a limb and say that CPJ knows TO's abilities and limitations better than you or I do. And the decision worked. Why dwell on it?

I explained that in a previous post you quoted from.

 

[coit]

I explained that in a previous post you quoted from.

If you mean the inversion regarding letting things play out, I already said they aren't the same thing.

As noted in the "it isn't the Offense" thread, we mostly know that the offense works, year in and year out. And we've tried various things on the defense. Now we are trying a guy who has had success with less than 5* talent against some bigger and badder foes.

That's what I'm personally willing to let play out but if this fella can't get things working well by next season I don't think yet another DC will help.

So, by that measure, CPJ doesn't need a trial period or to let him play out. He is what he is.

 

[LegendaryGT]

If you mean the inversion regarding letting things play out, I already said they aren't the same thing.

As noted in the "it isn't the Offense" thread, we mostly know that the offense works, year in and year out. And we've tried various things on the defense. Now we are trying a guy who has had success with less than 5* talent against some bigger and badder foes.

That's what I'm personally willing to let play out but if this fella can't get things working well by next season I don't think yet another DC will help.

So, by that measure, CPJ doesn't need a trial period or to let him play out. He is what he is.

No, that's not what I was talking about at all. You seem to have ignored a huge part of one of my posts.

 

[18in32]

It is a very good reason to not have him make a pass on 3rd and long with the game on the line. The pass was complete, first down, and we were in the red zone when another player fumbled the ball.

The decision was sound, and didn't cost us anything. They had shut down TO on successive plays, the defense had adjusted to the run left / run right playbook.

I actually agree that CPJ's decision was sound and converted the 1st down. That said, why do you say "the defense had adjusted to the run left / run right playbook"? How do you know we didn't just screw up the read or the miss the block or whatever?

 

[18in32]

TO stopped on back to back plays: "He's done, sit him."

CPJ fields sloppy teams in back to back seasons: "Give him some time, let this play out."

It's an interesting dichotomy that most people who are inverted on the first statement are also inverted on the second. Not saying anyone is wrong, I just find that interesting.

The think the parallel is a little less telling than you suggest. We've got a good QB and a good back-up QB. But don't have a back-up HC at all, so the decision to bench him is a much bigger unknown.

 

[coit]

No, that's not what I was talking about at all. You seem to have ignored a huge part of one of my posts.

Sorry, just too busy today.

I actually agree that CPJ's decision was sound and converted the 1st down. That said, why do you say "the defense had adjusted to the run left / run right playbook"? How do you know we didn't just screw up the read or the miss the block or whatever?

Because that's what he said.

 

[18in32]

Because that's what he said.

OK, fair enough, I didn't hear that.

 

[BuzzLaw]

"He hasn't made a pass in a game yet" isn't a very good reason to not allow him to make a pass in a game. If we operate by that logic, he'll never make a pass in a game.

I'm not saying that the right thing to do was to leave TO in there, because I don't know. I know it didn't feel great for my feels, though, because he was starting to make me believe he could will the team to the win. The fact that we seemed to just fall apart at the end under TQ didn't do much to help that feeling, especially after we fell apart at the end in so many other games behind TQ in the past. It just kind of felt like when TO was in we had found the spark. TQ may have superior athleticism and skills and all that, but he doesn't really seem to have that. Does TO really have it? I don't know, maybe it was just a coincidence that he was so successful while he was in, but I didn't enjoy not being allowed to find out whether he had what it takes to gut out a win. Didn't help that I wasn't left with anything else to enjoy, either.

So while I know I'm not football savvy enough to say that it would have given us a better chance to win to leave him in there, I can at least understand why people feel like he should've been left in there. I think for the most part, the rest of it is just rationalizing that.

I remember Jaybo Shaw coming in against Duke and everyone wondering why we didn’t keep him in at all times. PJ knows his offense, and knows who is best to have in at quarterback. That ain’t the problem.

 

[User 8976]

I remember Jaybo Shaw coming in against Duke and everyone wondering why we didn’t keep him in at all times. PJ knows his offense, and knows who is best to have in at quarterback. That ain’t the problem.

then...when Jaybo was taken down so easily as backup against georgia in 2008, it all made sense...

 

[79tech]

Let the season play out. People are frustrated, not just on this board, but across the fan base. I was listening to ESPN News Middle Georgia and their comment was Tech was 6-7 over the last 13 games but lead by 10 points in 5 of the 7 losses in the 4th quarter. Commented could easily be 11-2 over that period. They believed you win 90% of the time when up by 10 or more in 4th Q. I'm going to whine a minute. Lost best running back since Dwyer due to the Hill being too tough. Lost best defensive player this year to heart ailment. Just lost a good RB.

CPJ needs to get team together but he also needs a witch doctor to beat the curse. His recruiting lacks, but not sure we can do better with another coach until the Hill tries to help. Apathy, however, will get you fired.

 

[18in32]

I was listening to ESPN News Middle Georgia and their comment was Tech was 6-7 over the last 13 games but lead by 10 points in 5 of the 7 losses in the 4th quarter. Commented could easily be 11-2 over that period. They believed you win 90% of the time when up by 10 or more in 4th Q.

It really is amazing how snakebit we've been.

Also happy to know that ESPN News Middle Georgia (wow, the channels are getting really specialized these days) talks about Tech.

 

[GTplusCPJequalsSuccess]

It really is amazing how snakebit we've been.

Also happy to know that ESPN News Middle Georgia (wow, the channels are getting really specialized these days) talks about Tech.

I feel like we have been saying we are snakebit way too much over the last 3 years. Programs lose players all the time. You scheme around it and coach the kids well and the loss of a few individual players can be marginalized. Injuries and attrition are part of the game. It’s not really an excuse for me. If we have a fundamentally sound football team that doesn’t shoot itself in the foot time and time again, then you set yourself up to not have games where you are up double digits in the 4Q with 600 yards of offense and end up losing.

Hate to say it but look at UGA with Smart. With Richt they were known for special teams gaffes, penalties out the ass, under utilizing talent, bad tackling, etc. They are now, unfortunately, coupling great talent with sound coaching and good special teams with a walk-on kicker who looks like an idiot. They are now well coached. It’s amazing how fundamental football and attention to detail can improve the pieces that were always there.

 

[DaltonJacket]

I feel like we have been saying we are snakebit way too much over the last 3 years. Programs lose players all the time. You scheme around it and coach the kids well and the loss of a few individual players can be marginalized. Injuries and attrition are part of the game. It’s not really an excuse for me. If we have a fundamentally sound football team that doesn’t shoot itself in the foot time and time again, then you set yourself up to not have games where you are up double digits in the 4Q with 600 yards of offense and end up losing.

Hate to say it but look at UGA with Smart. With Richt they were known for special teams gaffes, penalties out the ass, under utilizing talent, bad tackling, etc. They are now, unfortunately, coupling great talent with sound coaching and good special teams with a walk-on kicker who looks like an idiot. They are now well coached. It’s amazing how fundamental football and attention to detail can improve the pieces that were always there.

We are not snakebit...the feeling of being snakebit is a result of what has been happening over several years. We have had great offenses and bad defenses that led to the offense feeling like they had to score every possession or they had "missed their turn" and were behind the 8 ball. We combined that with an offense that can put up a lot of points but has proven to have a higher than average chance of fumbling the ball. This has created a "fragile" feeling in the team. We play great and get a lead...have a mistake (usually a 4th quarter fumble) and then the whole team panics because missed our turn and its the 4th quarter. Next time we get the ball we will inevitably try 4 long passes (maybe we get lucky and hit one but usually don't) and then we fall further behind. Game over, rinse, repeat.

The fan base is just exhausted. The people I know are to the point that even when we play a great game and hold that late lead they are watching for the other shoe to drop. It has really taken a lot of the fun people had with the game away.

I also follow Notre Dame very closely (they are my team 1b that I was raised a fan of) and saw similar stuff near the end with Bob Davie. ND has an enormous fan base though. I'm afraid that here at GT we are going to continue to push our fans away. Right now the fanbase is ready to give up after the USF game because the memories of last season are still fresh. If something don't change we may not have anyone but Stingtalkers left at BDS.

 

[mack]

Then it means a lot of things, but it also means PJ has lost the fans. He and GT need to plan an exit for him.

I still want him here as coach, but no matter how good he does, every loss will have replies like yesterday. He can win the coastal and still be on the hot seat.

Sad to say it, and even sadder for the likely worse coach we’ll get, but it’s time to make a change.

As we say in the rural georgie.....you may be on to something

 

[smokey_wasp]

We are not snakebit...the feeling of being snakebit is a result of what has been happening over several years. We have had great offenses and bad defenses that led to the offense feeling like they had to score every possession or they had "missed their turn" and were behind the 8 ball. We combined that with an offense that can put up a lot of points but has proven to have a higher than average chance of fumbling the ball. This has created a "fragile" feeling in the team. We play great and get a lead...have a mistake (usually a 4th quarter fumble) and then the whole team panics because missed our turn and its the 4th quarter. Next time we get the ball we will inevitably try 4 long passes (maybe we get lucky and hit one but usually don't) and then we fall further behind. Game over, rinse, repeat.

This is a pretty spot-on description, I think. Add to it the inability to kick FG's since Butker left, leading to even more urgency to get a TD on every possession. It's not being snakebit, so much as it is just having fundamental holes in our game. The part that drives the division in our fanbase, though, is that our offense is indeed good enough to actually sometimes pull some of these games out. The fact that we are winning these these games less frequently recently has eroded many fans' tolerance, however.

 

[GTplusCPJequalsSuccess]

We are not snakebit...the feeling of being snakebit is a result of what has been happening over several years. We have had great offenses and bad defenses that led to the offense feeling like they had to score every possession or they had "missed their turn" and were behind the 8 ball. We combined that with an offense that can put up a lot of points but has proven to have a higher than average chance of fumbling the ball. This has created a "fragile" feeling in the team. We play great and get a lead...have a mistake (usually a 4th quarter fumble) and then the whole team panics because missed our turn and its the 4th quarter. Next time we get the ball we will inevitably try 4 long passes (maybe we get lucky and hit one but usually don't) and then we fall further behind. Game over, rinse, repeat.

The fan base is just exhausted. The people I know are to the point that even when we play a great game and hold that late lead they are watching for the other shoe to drop. It has really taken a lot of the fun people had with the game away.

I also follow Notre Dame very closely (they are my team 1b that I was raised a fan of) and saw similar stuff near the end with Bob Davie. ND has an enormous fan base though. I'm afraid that here at GT we are going to continue to push our fans away. Right now the fanbase is ready to give up after the USF game because the memories of last season are still fresh. If something don't change we may not have anyone but Stingtalkers left at BDS.

Really nicely described and right where I am. The offense simply has way too much pressure on it to score some kind of points every single drive. With the defense a sieve, special teams constantly giving short field position or worse points and the threat of a turnover or 2 by nature of offense it’s gotten to be difficult to watch. But pressure on the offense is actually costing us games.