New OL Consultant Added to the Staff

[aeromech]

What shocks me are all the fonts who think we'll take care of Clemson but think we have no chance versus Ole Miss. SEC bias, I guess.

Agree, but I think Clemson is a little bit of a mystery with the coaching changes that have happened. They will still be good; but will they be a playoff contender?

 

[GTce93]

are these consultants consultants allowed to recruit?

 

[FightOn!Jacket]

So, let me start with the reminder that he's the AHC and that was a condition of getting him here.

Chip Long - Brent pushed hard for him
Chris Weinke - This was part of the Long deal that Key was pushing, they'd all worked together previously at Tennessee
Mike Daniels - I forget how this hire came about
Del Alexander - More of Long ND connection, but Brent approved
Jason Semore - Geoff hire
Travares Tillman - Brent and him played together here, obviously a Brent recommendation

Jim Chaney was also Brent's doing.

And to this point, if CBK is the HC in waiting, this also allows GT to spend more $$$ on getting top quality assistant coaches in the staff. This worked out very well for Clemson with Dabo post Bowden. Dabo wasn’t making much, but was able to assemble a great staff.

While Saban is the greatest HC in CFB history, Bama’s unlimited budget has allowed Saban to hire an elite on-field staff, in addition to bringing in former HC’s (Kiffin, O’Brien, Locksley, Sark, Butch Jones, etc) to fill those roles in addition to support staff roles.

It wouldn’t be the worst idea if the offense took a step forward this year to keep Long, Cheney, etc and hire a very well respected DC with support staff known for recruiting. To clean house a 2nd time in 4 years is a risk.

 

[Jacketzrus]

And to this point, if CBK is the HC in waiting, this also allows GT to spend more $$$ on getting top quality assistant coaches in the staff. This worked out very well for Clemson with Dabo post Bowden. Dabo wasn’t making much, but was able to assemble a great staff.

While Saban is the greatest HC in CFB history, Bama’s unlimited budget has allowed Saban to hire an elite on-field staff, in addition to bringing in former HC’s (Kiffin, O’Brien, Locksley, Sark, Butch Jones, etc) to fill those roles in addition to support staff roles.

It wouldn’t be the worst idea if the offense took a step forward this year to keep Long, Cheney, etc and hire a very well respected DC with support staff known for recruiting. To clean house a 2nd time in 4 years is a risk.

Or we go back to what we know works.

Maybe the idea of running what everyone else does and trying to recruit the same players doesn't work here. If the season is a failure again (below 7-8 wins) then we gave the experiment a fair shake (4 years plus more resources than the previous regime ever had) and it ain't working.

Give me air raid or option.

 

[FightOn!Jacket]

Agree, but I think Clemson is a little bit of a mystery with the coaching changes that have happened. They will still be good; but will they be a playoff contender?

Their offense was not very good last year, so replacing Tony Elliot with former Clemson QB Brandon Streeter who has been on the Clemson staff since 2014 as the QB coach / passing game coordinator seems like a pretty seamless transition. The DC is Wesley Goodwin who has assistant coach experience at both the NFL and college level at Clemson, but never as the DC. He seems more of the ??? versus Streeter. But they are so loaded on D, doesn’t seem like there will be much of a decline.

For all the people who think Clemson is falling off a cliff talent wise with the losses of Elliot and Venables, I guess aren’t paying attention to the current recruiting class.

Rivals - #6
247 - #8

 

[FightOn!Jacket]

Or we go back to what we know works.

Maybe the idea of running what everyone else does and trying to recruit the same players doesn't work here. If the season is a failure again (below 7-8 wins) then we gave the experiment a fair shake (4 years plus more resources than the previous regime ever had) and it ain't working.

Give me air raid or option.

So you want to go back to the spread option offense? While Wake Forest can run an uptempo RPO based offense with so called lesser talent, and be a top 5 offense? I don’t think going back to the spread option will fly with whatever is left of the high dollar alums. Plus, I doubt running the spread option would help GT in the eyes of the B1G.

The air raid seems like a better option to switch to if a change is made. Leach, etc have shown it can work at the highest level.

 

[smokey_wasp]

Or we go back to what we know works.

Maybe the idea of running what everyone else does and trying to recruit the same players doesn't work here. If the season is a failure again (below 7-8 wins) then we gave the experiment a fair shake (4 years plus more resources than the previous regime ever had) and it ain't working.

Give me air raid or option.

The option was the experiment, and it worked okay, overall, in terms of wins and losses. Moving away from it is not an experiment, as GT history doesn't begin with CPJ.

 

[Jacketzrus]

So you want to go back to the spread option offense? While Wake Forest can run an uptempo RPO based offense with so called lesser talent, and be a top 5 offense? I don’t think going back to the spread option will fly with whatever is left of the high dollar alums. Plus, I doubt running the spread option would help GT in the eyes of the B1G.

The air raid seems like a better option to switch to if a change is made. Leach, etc have shown it can work at the highest level.

Dude wake has had one good year in decades. I will admit I'm wrong if they can replicate last year's results in the next few years. I know they just lost their QB so it wouldn't necessarily be fair to just judge on this coming season, but I'm willing to bet they regress back to the mean regardless over the next few years. I suspect last year was very much an outlier.

 

[Jacketzrus]

The option was the experiment, and it worked okay, overall, in terms of wins and losses. Moving away from it is not an experiment, as GT history doesn't begin with CPJ.

The new tech history begins with APR. Let's not forget flunk gate. Outside of Chan's one magical recruiting year (which was just barely in the top 25, but also had underrated/underrecruitted players in it, ie hard to maintain that level of recruiting here) Chan really didn't light it up recruiting wise.

No in order for tech to compete we need excellent coaches in addition to schematic advantage.

 

[QuadF]

And to this point, if CBK is the HC in waiting, this also allows GT to spend more $$$ on getting top quality assistant coaches in the staff. This worked out very well for Clemson with Dabo post Bowden. Dabo wasn’t making much, but was able to assemble a great staff.

While Saban is the greatest HC in CFB history, Bama’s unlimited budget has allowed Saban to hire an elite on-field staff, in addition to bringing in former HC’s (Kiffin, O’Brien, Locksley, Sark, Butch Jones, etc) to fill those roles in addition to support staff roles.

It wouldn’t be the worst idea if the offense took a step forward this year to keep Long, Cheney, etc and hire a very well respected DC with support staff known for recruiting. To clean house a 2nd time in 4 years is a risk.

We have to show some significant improvement to have something to risk losing. Refer to the "biggest transition in history".

 

[BainbridgeJacket]

We have to show some significant improvement to have something to risk losing. Refer to the "biggest transition in history".

The way I see it, there's only 3 possible scenarios
1) we win 7+ next year, everyone retained
2) we start 1-4 or worse, offense still sucks, Todd is fired part way thru the season, and we have a new AD in place by the end of the season and clean house entirely after the season
3) we don't have a new AD in place by end of the season (likely because of some promising showings early in the season due to offense improving) and we promote Key to HC. It might or might not be called interim.

I don't personally like option 3, but there's still a lot of "Tech man" bias. Hire a search committee. Get me an AD and coach who have never heard of "the hill" and don't care.

 

[FightOn!Jacket]

The new tech history begins with APR. Let's not forget flunk gate. Outside of Chan's one magical recruiting year (which was just barely in the top 25, but also had underrated/underrecruitted players in it, ie hard to maintain that level of recruiting here) Chan really didn't light it up recruiting wise.

No in order for tech to compete we need excellent coaches in addition to schematic advantage.

The 2007 class was #18. That’s not barely in the Top 25. Collins 2020 class at #25 is just barely in the Top 25.

Stop with the APR garbage. That hasn’t mattered, nor will it even be a variable soon enough when the NCAA is completely out of P5 football.

 

[FightOn!Jacket]

Dude wake has had one good year in decades. I will admit I'm wrong if they can replicate last year's results in the next few years. I know they just lost their QB so it wouldn't necessarily be fair to just judge on this coming season, but I'm willing to bet they regress back to the mean regardless over the next few years. I suspect last year was very much an outlier.

1 good year in “decades” you say? Considering they won the ACC in 2007, that is already false. You might want to look at Wake’s record vs GT since the magical high water mark for GT in 2014. I don’t think you’ll be happy with what you see.

 

[FightOn!Jacket]

We have to show some significant improvement to have something to risk losing. Refer to the "biggest transition in history".

There are $10 million reasons why a move before the end of the season won’t happen. There are $7 million more reasons why a move after January 1st is 50/50.

For a school that thinks they are the cream of the crop, they sure hire some DA people when it comes to approving athletic contracts (CPH, CCG) come to mind.

 

[vapspwi]

1 good year in “decades” you say? Considering they won the ACC in 2007, that is already false. You might want to look at Wake’s record vs GT since the magical high water mark for GT in 2014. I don’t think you’ll be happy with what you see.

They won the ACC in 2006 and they’re 0-1 vs GT since 2014.

JRjr

 

[FightOn!Jacket]

They won the ACC in 2006 and they’re 0-1 vs GT since 2014.

JRjr

I‘m talking about overall records since GT’s high water mark of 2014. Some of you have a truly inflated (gold colored glasses) perception of what GT is right now. I’ll clarify for you, Wake has been the better program since the magical 2014 season.

 

[Olgoldandwhie]

Barring a miracle, which I hope happens, do we pick from the current new coaches or choose a new path.

Personally, I want a coach that fits his scheme to the talent on hand. Decent recruiter and good coach can win a lot of games in the ACC.

 

[Milledgeville]

Sewak put a better OL on the field than we've had the past 3 years, and yes we all thought Sewak sucked. This move to bring in Hevesy should confirm to everyone that the problem wasn't simply jimmies & joes.

I predict that if we win 6+ plus games this year, there will be two camps on Stingtalk. The 'Collins just needed time to flip the roster because the cupboard was bare' group; and the 'bringing in those new assistance coaches made a huge improvement' group.

Larry? Sewak put a better OL on the field that could run the TO. Are you implying he could also recruit and coach an OL to run a pro-style or RPO offense better than Key?

Me like logic. Some say maybe too much.

 

[aeromech]

I just had a brain fart. What if when TStan said something to the effect of "I have my coach", he meant BK?

 

[QuadF]

The way I see it, there's only 3 possible scenarios
1) we win 7+ next year, everyone retained
2) we start 1-4 or worse, offense still sucks, Todd is fired part way thru the season, and we have a new AD in place by the end of the season and clean house entirely after the season
3) we don't have a new AD in place by end of the season (likely because of some promising showings early in the season due to offense improving) and we promote Key to HC. It might or might not be called interim.

I don't personally like option 3, but there's still a lot of "Tech man" bias. Hire a search committee. Get me an AD and coach who have never heard of "the hill" and don't care.

If we keep Collins because he wins 7, the same number that we fired gailey for, that tells me the gtaa has given up on football.