New OL Consultant Added to the Staff

I don't think it will hurt. We need all the extra help, on the O-line, we can get. This may or may not turn out to be something worthwhile. However; we have to change what we have been doing. Repeating the same thing over and over, while expecting different results...you know the rest.... To me, the O-Line is the MAIN AREA that needs to improve, for us to starting adding up the Ws. I hope this pays off. It could mean we win those close/toss up type games, versus lose them.
 
ibeeballin said:
Sure about that? Don’t let the results cloud the perception what those OL were. 2016 was the last avg to good under Sewak
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Yes I'm sure, the results are part of that evidence. Don't let your knob slobbing of Goof cloud your memory of how utterly öööö our line has been at every aspect of their jobs since your daddy took over.
 
OmnipoTech said:
Yes I'm sure, the results are part of that evidence. Don't let your knob slobbing of Goof cloud your memory of how utterly öööö our line has been at every aspect of their jobs since your daddy took over.
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You mean when most of the line has been CPJ holdovers and transfers we had to take just to fill holes?
 
Something my old high school coach, used to say. "If you lose the battle of the Line of Scrimmage (LOS), you will most likely lose the game". He isn't wrong. More often than not, if you can win the battle of the trenches, you win the game. We haven't been winning that battle, for some time. Until that happens, we will continue to struggle.
 
GT fans are intelligent, but can be really stupid:
- Sewak sucks --> Key sucks... last time we didn't complain about the OL was 2008 (aside from a 7 game stretch in late 2014), I wonder what was different... Gardner maybe?
- Womack sucks --> Al Groh sucks --> Teddy Roof sucks --> Woody sucks --> Thacker sucks.... last time we didn't complain about the defense, we were stacked at DL, had good LBs, and had Morgan Burnett playing safety.
- CPJ is a genius/ stubborn old man --> play calling took a lot less heat with Justin Thomas and Nesbitt playing than it did with Tevin, Vad, Tobias, and Taquon.
- GT is wide receiver U --> Our WR corps has been dotted with lone talents and has largely been less than serviceable. Even when there's been overlap, it's been fleeting. Imagine if Calvin and D Thomas had both been on the field in 2007. The top teams have multiple receiving threats year in and year out.
- Recruiting rankings don't matter --> our NFL representation has tanked. GT football needs some grown ass players that want to be violent on the field. We play soft. We need the 4* players we do have to start showing it and we need to recruit Top 25 consistently.

Take off the gold colored glasses, our position rooms have been making the same mistakes and had the same problems across multiple classes of players and coaching staffs. Especially LB, DB, and OL. We've got to get some real leadership in the position rooms and need some NFL talent to market it for the future. Call it culture, call it grit, but get it done. Sounds easy enough, but with our legacy over the past 20 years, I wouldn't coach here if I were a top coach.
 
OmnipoTech said:
Yes I'm sure, the results are part of that evidence. Don't let your knob slobbing of Goof cloud your memory of how utterly öööö our line has been at every aspect of their jobs since your daddy took over.
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How was that OL against Clemson, Miami, ND, UGA, during the end of Johnson’s tenure? You are seriously glossing over reality on this one. GT beat the middling / lesser teams on the schedule (something not happening right now) but were getting absolutely destroyed on the LOS against the teams above.

The program was severely void of talent in December 2018. While I thought no matter what that would change if the Collins experiment failed, it doesn’t seem like that will be the case. At least according to other ACC coaches.
 
OmnipoTech said:
I want you to reread what you just wrote here, and tell me how that doesn't prove my point.
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Because you glossed over the fact that the OL was getting beaten up under Sewak against Miami, Clemson, ND, UGA like it was Super Tecmo Bowl. Yet you want to try and say that the OL in place 3 years ago was adequate to magically start beating the teams above running a whole new system? The cupboard was beyond bare. Sewak was beating out Sun Belt teams for OL, all while being the 2nd highest paid on the staff.

I’m not saying losing any of the games GT has lost (Citadel, Temple, NIU) is excusable, because it’s not. What I’m saying is selective memory sure seems to be the case here, when the reality was GT was no more competition for the teams mentioned above at the end of the Johnson regime as they are now. UGA was just starting to become what they are, ND has elevated themselves, Clemson is who Clemson is, and Miami was a crap shoot under CMR, CMD.

You win and lose in the trenches. GT has not done that on either side of the ball since 2016 (OL). And hasn’t had a DL of note since 2008.
 
ibeeballin said:
That’s not true at all. We gotta stop loving living in fantasy land in regards to what was on the roster Winter 2018. The OL room was in shambles and devoid of talent, plus we were not going to be able to Tobias left & Tobias right ourselves into 6+ wins
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First of all, the o line in CGC's first year was depleted due to injuries, position changes (at the coaches discretion), and transfer. So it wasn't even the same full lineup that would have played had Paul not retired. You can't argue that.

Second, with the correct lineup, and running a scheme that asks the o line to run block more than pass block would have been to the personnel's advantage.

The hodge podge of linemen now on the team and even last year are all on CGC and CBK. That's completely their failure for various reasons.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Because you glossed over the fact that the OL was getting beaten up under Sewak against Miami, Clemson, ND, UGA like it was Super Tecmo Bowl. Yet you want to try and say that the OL in place 3 years ago was adequate to magically start beating the teams above running a whole new system? The cupboard was beyond bare. Sewak was beating out Sun Belt teams for OL, all while being the 2nd highest paid on the staff.
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Ok, first I want you to quote my original post and show me where I said any of that. Oh that's right you can't, because literally all I said was the line under Sewak was still wildly better than our line the last 3 years despite everyone agreeing the line under Sewak largely sucked.

Next, you are going to want to pull Miami from your little list - we beat them in 2018 and lost by a whole 1 point in 2017, which doesn't support this argument you are trying to make. Since that leaves ND, Clemson, and UGA, let's look at how those teams were doing around that time period... what's that?? They were playing for championships, kicking everyone's ass and making their o-lines look like they suck? No way!
 
OmnipoTech said:
Ok, first I want you to quote my original post and show me where I said any of that. Oh that's right you can't, because literally all I said was the line under Sewak was still wildly better than our line the last 3 years despite everyone agreeing the line under Sewak largely sucked.

Next, you are going to want to pull Miami from your little list - we beat them in 2018 and lost by a whole 1 point in 2017, which doesn't support this argument you are trying to make. Since that leaves ND, Clemson, and UGA, let's look at how those teams were doing around that time period... what's that?? They were playing for championships, kicking everyone's ass and making their o-lines look like they suck? No way!
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I added Miami, because Johnson beat them exactly 2x his entire tenure at GT. Most of the games weren’t even close, especially along the LOS. So yes, for as bad record wise as Collins has been in 3 years, he has half as many wins already against Miami than Johnson finished with.

Oh so now we have to exclude UGA, ND and Clemson for how they have manhandled GT, but that has nothing to do with the global point now does it? The fact is, the line under Sewak against the teams mentioned above looked no better than what we’ve seen the last 3 years. Yet everything is Collins fault. I got it now.

GT had a Sun Belt level OL under Johnson the last few years that transitioned to Collins 1st 2 years. After 3 years of his own recruiting, combined with the new transfer portal, there should no longer be the huge issue along the OL we’ve seen the last 3 years. Whether we see improvement from the recent signees and transfers in year 4 will determine everything.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
I added Miami, because Johnson beat them exactly 2x his entire tenure at GT. Most of the games weren’t even close, especially along the LOS. So yes, for as bad record wise as Collins has been in 3 years, he has half as many wins already against Miami than Johnson finished with.

Oh so now we have to exclude UGA, ND and Clemson for how they have manhandled GT, but that has nothing to do with the global point now does it? The fact is, the line under Sewak against the teams mentioned above looked no better than what we’ve seen the last 3 years. Yet everything is Collins fault. I got it now.

GT had a Sun Belt level OL under Johnson the last few years that transitioned to Collins 1st 2 years. After 3 years of his own recruiting, combined with the new transfer portal, there should no longer be the huge issue along the OL we’ve seen the last 3 years. Whether we see improvement from the recent signees and transfers in year 4 will determine everything.
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Did you want to talk about Johnson's whole tenure, or the last few years? It sure seemed like you were talking specifically about the last few years when you said, and I quote, "How was that OL against Clemson, Miami, ND, UGA, during the end of Johnson’s tenure?"

I have never seen such an unorganized, disjointed attempt at arguing as the garbage you have posted today.
 
OmnipoTech said:
Did you want to talk about Johnson's whole tenure, or the last few years? It sure seemed like you were talking specifically about the last few years when you said, and I quote, "How was that OL against Clemson, Miami, ND, UGA, during the end of Johnson’s tenure?"

I have never seen such an unorganized, disjointed attempt at arguing as the garbage you have posted today.
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Who’s fault was it that GT went from competitive to squarely behind the teams above? Dabo, Kelly and Kirby must know so much more about the “game’ that they were able to pass GT by almost overnight. GT went from being competitive with those programs to an ocean sized gap in talent. That all started under Johnson. So what happened?

I know….It has to be the state of Georgia, GA BOR (which had more GT alums), ACC (because of course they want to keep GT down), NCAA….Oh and of course, how could I forget UGA? They are so scared of the sleeping giant that is GT, that they are adding majors just to lure all those 5* players away from GT…….Did I cover all the fake excuses?

You have defended the OL under Sewak, which I pointed out lacked the talent needed the last few years under Johnson. That poor recruiting was inherited under Collins. Most of those OL’s were not players for the system GT attempted to run post the spread option offense. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

I’m not defending the recruiting or lack thereof by Collins and Key to bring in an adequate OL starting by year 3. They came in day 1 talking about recruiting, and for 1.5 years on paper it looked like they were turning the corner. Not so much lately. All the noise went away after last season. This is a prove it year for Collins and Key as an OL coach. Is that clear enough for you?
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Who’s fault was it that GT went from competitive to squarely behind the teams above? Dabo, Kelly and Kirby must know so much more about the “game’ that they were able to pass GT by almost overnight. GT went from being competitive with those programs to an ocean sized gap in talent. That all started under Johnson. So what happened?

I know….It has to be the state of Georgia, GA BOR (which had more GT alums), ACC (because of course they want to keep GT down), NCAA….Oh and of course, how could I forget UGA? They are so scared of the sleeping giant that is GT, that they are adding majors just to lure all those 5* players away from GT…….Did I cover all the fake excuses?

You have defended the OL under Sewak, which I pointed out lacked the talent needed the last few years under Johnson. That poor recruiting was inherited under Collins. Most of those OL’s were not players for the system GT attempted to run post the spread option offense. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

I’m not defending the recruiting or lack thereof by Collins and Key to bring in an adequate OL starting by year 3. They came in day 1 talking about recruiting, and for 1.5 years on paper it looked like they were turning the corner. Not so much lately. All the noise went away after last season. This is a prove it year for Collins and Key as an OL coach. Is that clear enough for you?
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You're an idiot
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Who’s fault was it that GT went from competitive to squarely behind the teams above? Dabo, Kelly and Kirby must know so much more about the “game’ that they were able to pass GT by almost overnight. GT went from being competitive with those programs to an ocean sized gap in talent. That all started under Johnson. So what happened?

I know….It has to be the state of Georgia, GA BOR (which had more GT alums), ACC (because of course they want to keep GT down), NCAA….Oh and of course, how could I forget UGA? They are so scared of the sleeping giant that is GT, that they are adding majors just to lure all those 5* players away from GT…….Did I cover all the fake excuses?

You have defended the OL under Sewak, which I pointed out lacked the talent needed the last few years under Johnson. That poor recruiting was inherited under Collins. Most of those OL’s were not players for the system GT attempted to run post the spread option offense. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

I’m not defending the recruiting or lack thereof by Collins and Key to bring in an adequate OL starting by year 3. They came in day 1 talking about recruiting, and for 1.5 years on paper it looked like they were turning the corner. Not so much lately. All the noise went away after last season. This is a prove it year for Collins and Key as an OL coach. Is that clear enough for you?
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Nobody has defended the OL under Sewak, not in the past 7 or 8 years anyway. And nobody is arguing with you that the Sewak OL could stand up against a top tier DL; but what Sewak's OL did do was play competitively against most mid-level DL's and frequently some highly rated DL's.
 
It might be time to lock this thread. I'll take the blame for this derail straight out of the gate.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Who’s fault was it that GT went from competitive to squarely behind the teams above? Dabo, Kelly and Kirby must know so much more about the “game’ that they were able to pass GT by almost overnight. GT went from being competitive with those programs to an ocean sized gap in talent. That all started under Johnson. So what happened?

I know….It has to be the state of Georgia, GA BOR (which had more GT alums), ACC (because of course they want to keep GT down), NCAA….Oh and of course, how could I forget UGA? They are so scared of the sleeping giant that is GT, that they are adding majors just to lure all those 5* players away from GT…….Did I cover all the fake excuses?

You have defended the OL under Sewak, which I pointed out lacked the talent needed the last few years under Johnson. That poor recruiting was inherited under Collins. Most of those OL’s were not players for the system GT attempted to run post the spread option offense. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

I’m not defending the recruiting or lack thereof by Collins and Key to bring in an adequate OL starting by year 3. They came in day 1 talking about recruiting, and for 1.5 years on paper it looked like they were turning the corner. Not so much lately. All the noise went away after last season. This is a prove it year for Collins and Key as an OL coach. Is that clear enough for you?
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Don't let cpjs last 2 years make you forget how good our ol was in 16 (relatively for sewak). We were matched with UGAs dl (if not slightly better) and absolutely dominated the line in our bowl. Not that I or anyone else mean that to defend sewak as some savant - I loudly and often called for him to get canned. Just trying point out how far we've fallen.
 
Jacketzrus said:
First of all, the o line in CGC's first year was depleted due to injuries, position changes (at the coaches discretion), and transfer. So it wasn't even the same full lineup that would have played had Paul not retired. You can't argue that.

Second, with the correct lineup, and running a scheme that asks the o line to run block more than pass block would have been to the personnel's advantage.

The hodge podge of linemen now on the team and even last year are all on CGC and CBK. That's completely their failure for various reasons.
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1- The OL would have consisted Quinney, Harrison Jump, Minihan, Mckeehan, and Connor Hansen maybe. Tell us who we are beating with that 5

2- We were 60:40 run pass ratio. Run would’ve been high if weren’t so ineffective run blocking.


3. It’s definitely their fault that 3-4 guys have been medical disqualified and that their were no available OL when they came aboard couple of days before ESD
 
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