Other Schools' Coaching Changes [Now with Colorado's Deion]

andrew said:
That site doesn't offer betting itself though, and it doesn't seem to say where it got those odds from or list any sports books where you can bet on where Deion will coach next.

It's also riddled with weird phrasing and spelling errors ("furtile recruiting grounds", "brash self-promotors"). Feels like it may just be a site that makes stuff up to attract people and get them to click their affiliate links to actual sports books.

I checked some of the main online sports books and didn't see anything regarding Deion.
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I was just showing you where the table came from.
 
johncu said:
@QuadF I generally have a similar outlook, but I actually think Deion could be exactly what we need. Yeah, he’s got a hype man personality like CG5, but he’s also very clearly not willing to put up with BS. He seems to hold his players accountable and demand excellence from them. I was at Clemson when Dabo was hired, and people had similar concerns. The winning took a few years, but the whole “feel” of the program changed almost immediately. If someone like Deion could pair his natural leadership abilities with a top-notch coaching staff, he might have the highest ceiling of any coach I remember ever discussing as a possibility at GT.

If we don’t hire Deion and/or aren’t willing to shell out for the resources needed to build a staff as outlined above, I think any hire other than Jamey Chadwell would be a mistake. He’s got that “more with less” ability that CPJ had, only with a modern style that is more attractive to the talented QBs we need to win. Plus, he has won a lot at every stop.
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I'm down with Deion, if we truly commit to the Clemson model but do it even more over the top. Outside of the HC, the remaining football staff (coordinators, position coaches, analysts, etc.) better all be sourced from those Top 15 annual blue blood type programs, even if we have overpay in order to ask people in those positions to make lateral title moves.

Otherwise, it'll be a flaming trainwreck of epic proportions.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
I'm down with Deion, if we truly commit to the Clemson model but do it even more over the top. Outside of the HC, the remaining football staff (coordinators, position coaches, analysts, etc.) better all be sourced from those Top 15 annual blue blood type programs, even if we have overpay in order to ask people in those positions to make lateral title moves.

Otherwise, it'll be a flaming trainwreck of epic proportions.
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Just for my own personal reference- in the event we actually board the Deion train - how can I differentiate the 3 year train wreck we're currently experiencing to one that is of epic proportions
 
QuadF said:
Every year at UF 247sports had every class as top 15, and 2 were top 10. Is that how you define "can't recruit"?
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Didn't 247 and Rivals give Collins good recruiting grades too? Look at our roster on the field.
 
QuadF said:
Every year at UF 247sports had every class as top 15, and 2 were top 10. Is that how you define "can't recruit"?
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And what was the recruiting prior to Mullen @ UF and after? Going to guess it was close to those subjective rankings.

As @gtleviathan posted, this is the time to take a chance and see what happens with such a high reward with little risk hire. If Deion has the $$$ for a good staff, he can do well here. If he flames out, the same sort list of up and coming G5 coach or fired coach from somewhere else will be available in a few years. Of course, all of this assumes that Deion is even interested in the GT job, which I find doubtful.
 
QuadF said:
Every year at UF 247sports had every class as top 15, and 2 were top 10. Is that how you define "can't recruit"?
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Yeah. And if you listen to Mike Farrell formerly of Rivals.com and Luginbill on ESPN they will tell you that Mullen was not a good recruiter, and didn’t like recruiting. UF is a lock for Top 15 recruiting classes regardless of HC, because it’s UF. But that means nothing when your main rivals around you are continually getting Top 10 classes. UF was losing the top players from the Jax area to UGA, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc. If you think coming to a school in GT with a lot more disadvantages that he will produce anything except Top 40-50 classes annually, that’s on you.

Look at the talent on the field for UF right now. Does that look like a Top 15 team talent wise? No. UF is a mess right now. UF is already recruiting at a higher level now in year 1 post Mullen. That says enough right there.
 
johncu said:
@QuadF I generally have a similar outlook, but I actually think Deion could be exactly what we need. Yeah, he’s got a hype man personality like CG5, but he’s also very clearly not willing to put up with BS. He seems to hold his players accountable and demand excellence from them. I was at Clemson when Dabo was hired, and people had similar concerns. The winning took a few years, but the whole “feel” of the program changed almost immediately. If someone like Deion could pair his natural leadership abilities with a top-notch coaching staff, he might have the highest ceiling of any coach I remember ever discussing as a possibility at GT.

If we don’t hire Deion and/or aren’t willing to shell out for the resources needed to build a staff as outlined above, I think any hire other than Jamey Chadwell would be a mistake. He’s got that “more with less” ability that CPJ had, only with a modern style that is more attractive to the talented QBs we need to win. Plus, he has won a lot at every stop.
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I'm with you on this. Deion #1, if he turns it down then Chadwell for the CPJ recipe of quirky offense that may be more appealing to recruits than the TO.

I don't think that anyone can recruit to Georgia Tech better than Deion. If we are going to line up with Jimmy's and Joe's then it has to be Deion, otherwise we need x's and o's which is Chadwell. All the other realistic candidates look like solid coaches that would keep us mediocre in our piss poor conference.
 
johncu said:
@QuadF I generally have a similar outlook, but I actually think Deion could be exactly what we need. Yeah, he’s got a hype man personality like CG5, but he’s also very clearly not willing to put up with BS. He seems to hold his players accountable and demand excellence from them. I was at Clemson when Dabo was hired, and people had similar concerns. The winning took a few years, but the whole “feel” of the program changed almost immediately. If someone like Deion could pair his natural leadership abilities with a top-notch coaching staff, he might have the highest ceiling of any coach I remember ever discussing as a possibility at GT.

If we don’t hire Deion and/or aren’t willing to shell out for the resources needed to build a staff as outlined above, I think any hire other than Jamey Chadwell would be a mistake. He’s got that “more with less” ability that CPJ had, only with a modern style that is more attractive to the talented QBs we need to win. Plus, he has won a lot at every stop.
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To be fair to Dabo he had been position coach in p5 for just over a decade, had served under a solid coach in Stallings, and had put 3 WRs into the NFL draft with clemson and 3 with alabama. I'd tend to pick a g5 hc or p5 coord over a p5 position coach, but he was clearly very competent with his assigned duties.

I agree that we have to shell out if we want to win. It seems like Deion has the natural leadership, but I don't think he's been at all tested yet to see if he really does have it. Time will tell.
 
MACHETE said:
Not likely, he would be a massive upgrade vs. status quo. Imagine you are a top recruit and Deion walks in the door to recruit you. Now picture the same with Key, Chadwell or literally almost anybody else outside of Saban.
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No. I’m saying you need to give Deion, because of who he is, every opportunity to win, and it’s only because if he flames out, he’s gonna trash the fans and program like nothing we’d ever see before. Deion ain’t being escorted out the back door into a waiting SUV and stay off the radar, if it were to come to that. Deion, given who he is and just as he would shine a light getting talent in the first place, he’d shine a light on all of Tech’s warts. It’d make any sort of recovery epic.
 
aeromech said:
Didn't 247 and Rivals give Collins good recruiting grades too? Look at our roster on the field.
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44, 53, 28, 43. Not exactly crushing it.

GT98 said:
And what was the recruiting prior to Mullen @ UF and after? Going to guess it was close to those subjective rankings.
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FightOn!Jacket said:
UF is a lock for Top 15 recruiting classes regardless of HC, because it’s UF. But that means nothing when your main rivals around you are continually getting Top 10 classes.
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You can't have it both ways. If UF is a lock for good recruiting because of the school and regardless of the coach why is coach prime going to suddenly up-end GT's relatively consistent recruiting rankings?

FightOn!Jacket said:
Yeah. And if you listen to Mike Farrell formerly of Rivals.com and Luginbill on ESPN they will tell you that Mullen was not a good recruiter, and didn’t like recruiting.
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And that is just lazy reporting . Look at his recruiting at MSU. MSU's recruiting rankings before Mullen looks a lot like GTs now and Mullen was able to get into a consistent top-25. He didn't turn them into UF overnight, but he was able to improve it substantially over his tenure. He also has a proven history of developing QBs and has put 4 into NFL.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
No. I’m saying you need to give Deion, because of who he is, every opportunity to win, and it’s only because if he flames out, he’s gonna trash the fans and program like nothing we’d ever see before. Deion ain’t being escorted out the back door into a waiting SUV and stay off the radar, if it were to come to that. Deion, given who he is and just as he would shine a light getting talent in the first place, he’d shine a light on all of Tech’s warts. It’d make any sort of recovery epic.
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This is true.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
No. I’m saying you need to give Deion, because of who he is, every opportunity to win, and it’s only because if he flames out, he’s gonna trash the fans and program like nothing we’d ever see before. Deion ain’t being escorted out the back door into a waiting SUV and stay off the radar, if it were to come to that. Deion, given who he is and just as he would shine a light getting talent in the first place, he’d shine a light on all of Tech’s warts. It’d make any sort of recovery epic.
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This is a good point. I had considered that Tech would get a black eye for "causing" Deion to fail if it came to that. I hadn't considered that Deion could take it personally himself and use his pulpit to trash Tech going forward. That's a scary thought.
 
Prime Time then Garrett Riley then Chadwell.

Knowing Tech, they will go in a "different" direction and hire some castoff that another program wants to rid themselves of. Harsin would be the "perfect" Tech hire. He has all that HC experience that many crave.
 
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