Why building a culture with Geoff Collins is more important than winning

originalwombat said:
Collins is [personally] liked by players, coaches, and fans. He's made changes in failing areas. He's got mistakes to look at and learn from. If I were the AD, I would have retained him as well. Between the cost of firing him and the subsequent cost of his replacement, the timing was bad. And firing a guy after three very unique and challenging years (i.e. converting from the TO and dealing with COVID) tells future candidates they will be expected to win now. That's fine if you're Bama, but Tech can't afford to send that message.

But this is me looking at this through an optimistic lens. I'm looking for positives. The reality is that come November 30, we will likely be looking at modest improvements and another year of watching other teams play in December. Stans' decision last year was an easy one. His job gets a lot harder if Collins gives him 4-5 wins.

I know what I'd like to see done in that scenario, but it always seems easy to fans.
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I really don't see a lot of fans that like Collins and coaches are questionable. Players, of course they do because they are not held accountable.
 
cbee said:
I really don't see a lot of fans that like Collins and coaches are questionable. Players, of course they do because they are not held accountable.
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If you read articles of folks' encounters with him, most are very positive. Camps, speaking engagements, random run-ins. People often talk of enjoying their interactions with him personally. I suspect some of this is simply because the previous guy was as warm as a penguin's pecker.
 
Flywheel said:
Only correction: swag walk during games too, acting like world beaters over a dropped pass by the other team when they got 5 yards behind our safeties.

This article feels like Russian propaganda.
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BuzzLaw said:
Article has it all wrong. Gef came out and said that he’s set the culture. Now we’re taking a deep dive into every facet of football. He’s an elite defensive mind, but he was setting the culture. Now he can get involved in the deep dive of the actual game.

Our AD reinforced this. Sometimes it’s right to stay the course. And with Gef, that’s the right thing to do.

We’ve gone all in on winning this year. We’ve hired more staff. It is, literally, win or go home for all of them.
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Heaven forbid he should multi-task. I bet we all do this at work…execute through a certain value system which inevitably builds culture….not the other way around.

I love the elite defensive mind reference…that was a great CGC quote. I’m not sure I’ve seen that approach before.
 
originalwombat said:
If you read articles of folks' encounters with him, most are very positive. Camps, speaking engagements, random run-ins. People often talk of enjoying their interactions with him personally. I suspect some of this is simply because the previous guy was as warm as a penguin's pecker.
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Not sure why we always get back to the previous coach but to me, and solely my opinion, they both appear to be pricks. The difference is simply one produced, one has not. It is good to be arrogant if you can back it up but comments such as the fan base "not seeing the progress" and such as that rubs me the wrong way. I have been a college football fan for nearly 60 years and while I may not (better not!) know more than our head man now, I do know enough to know that what he has done to date is not, or should not be, acceptable.
 
originalwombat said:
If you read articles of folks' encounters with him, most are very positive. Camps, speaking engagements, random run-ins. People often talk of enjoying their interactions with him personally. I suspect some of this is simply because the previous guy was as warm as a penguin's pecker.
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My encounters with CPJ were plenty friendly, and I imagine they were for most people that aren't dumbasses.
 
originalwombat said:
If you read articles of folks' encounters with him, most are very positive. Camps, speaking engagements, random run-ins. People often talk of enjoying their interactions with him personally. I suspect some of this is simply because the previous guy was as warm as a penguin's pecker.
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That might have been true two years ago...now??
 
Also, a big part of this "culture" thing was ATL, 404, Atlanta, blah. Complete and abject failure and looks like a joke now. We look like complete pretenders trying to claim some kind of "Atlanta" brand, no better and even some ways much worse than GEORGIA freaking STATE. The reality is that UGA dominates the Atlanta media landscape, for extremely obvious reasons.

Slapping fake branding all over everything when we literally have the skyline behind our stadium is so stupid. Be GEORGIA TECH. Represent GEORGIA TECH. Trying to be "Atlanta" was a very passive statement that being Georgia Tech just wasn't enough and we had to try to steal something with cachet.... in the end it's only diminished us.
 
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GT flunkout said:
Also, a big part of this "culture" thing was ATL, 404, Atlanta, blah. Complete and abject failure and looks like a joke now. We look like complete pretenders trying to claim some kind of "Atlanta" brand, no better and even some ways much worse than GEORGIA freaking STATE. The reality is that UGA dominates the Atlanta media landscape, for extremely obvious reasons.

Slapping fake branding all over everything when we literally have the skyline behind our stadium is so stupid. Be GEORGIA TECH. Represent GEORGIA TECH. Trying to be "Atlanta" was a very passive statement that being Georgia Tech just wasn't enough and we had to try to steal something with cachet.... in the end it's only diminished us.
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This right here shows just how disconnected you are from the reality of today’s high school football players.
 
GTWannaBee said:
This right here shows just how disconnected you are from the reality of today’s high school football players.
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Lol ok. Even football players are smart enough to know Georgia Tech is right in the middle of Atlanta without plastering the words all over everything. But sure whatever.

2019 solutions for 2022 problems!
 
GT flunkout said:
Lol ok. Even football players are smart enough to know Georgia Tech is right in the middle of Atlanta without plastering the words all over everything. But sure whatever.

2019 solutions for 2022 problems!
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It’s not about them knowing where Atlanta is. Even the Atlanta Braves throw out the 404 and ATL stuff. Do you think they’re fans don’t know where Atlanta Braves are (technically not in Atlanta…) Same for Atlanta United too.
 
GTWannaBee said:
It’s not about them knowing where Atlanta is. Even the Atlanta Braves throw out the 404 and ATL stuff. Do you think they’re fans don’t know where Atlanta Braves are (technically not in Atlanta…) Same for Atlanta United too.
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Derp. Was this supposed to intentionally be a self own? Those are pro Atlanta teams that represent... Atlanta. Of course they are going to merchandise all those things. I'm not sure what the difference could be.... unless we suddenly became the Atlanta Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets that 90% of all sports fans in Atlanta pulled for.
 
GT flunkout said:
Also, a big part of this "culture" thing was ATL, 404, Atlanta, blah. Complete and abject failure and looks like a joke now. We look like complete pretenders trying to claim some kind of "Atlanta" brand, no better and even some ways much worse than GEORGIA freaking STATE. The reality is that UGA dominates the Atlanta media landscape, for extremely obvious reasons.

Slapping fake branding all over everything when we literally have the skyline behind our stadium is so stupid. Be GEORGIA TECH. Represent GEORGIA TECH. Trying to be "Atlanta" was a very passive statement that being Georgia Tech just wasn't enough and we had to try to steal something with cachet.... in the end it's only diminished us.
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This might be one of the worst positions on here and there are quite a few. Represent Georgia Tech? What does that mean or entails? Wear 30 different shades and brag about your job to opponents at a football game? If you want to grow, you better be one with the city you reside in.
 
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ibeeballin said:
This might be one of the worst positions on here and there are quite a few. Represent Georgia Tech? What does that mean or entails? Wear 30 different shades and brag about your job to opponents at a football game? If you want to grow, you better be one with the city you reside in.
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You're a ööööing idiot.
 
GT flunkout said:
Derp. Was this supposed to intentionally be a self own? Those are pro Atlanta teams that represent... Atlanta. Of course they are going to merchandise all those things. I'm not sure what the difference could be.... unless we suddenly became the Atlanta Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets that 90% of all sports fans in Atlanta pulled for.
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So you don’t think it’s important to pull in sidewalk fans by repressing the very large city that Georgia Tech resides in? Or we shouldn’t market the very large city that attracts some of the best hip hop and r&b talent in the country? I mean, there’s no way THAT would appeal to high school football players. Tech tradition isn’t attracting a single football player anymore. Stop with the antiquated views!
 
I remember when Georgia Tech was Atlanta's team: the Bobby Dodd days

404 doesn't really appeal to me, but nothing wrong with branding ourselves as the Atlanta school.
 
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