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swampsting said:
Let’s look at PJ’s last four full classes and the hometowns of some signees, shall we?

2015 — players from Suwanee, Buford, Kennesaw, Marietta, Woodstock, Woodstock, Douglasville, Marietta, Norcross, Tyrone, Douglasville

2016 — Powder Springs, Duluth, Cummng, Newnan, Norcross

2017 — Hoschton, Covington, Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta, Powder Springs, Norcross, Buford

2018 — Snellville, Lawrenceville, McDonough, Newnan

This doesn’t include Cartersville, Calhoun, Dalton, Rome, Carrollton, nor the Savannah, Ludowici, Warner Robins, Brunswick signees.
Seems like quite a few kids from metro Atlanta.

I'll also drop you this nugget:
“He was very straightforward with me throughout the recruiting process,” (guess the player) said. “He told me week by week where we stood as far as offering me. He was a man of his word about everything he told me.”

That's Tobias Oliver.
He's talking about PJ.
PJ called him every week.
Yeah, he didn't care about recruiting, did he?
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Those players you listed are the lower talent players, players that don't have defined positions coming out of HS, players that are undersized or tweeners, G5 types instead of can't miss P5 types.

Nick Chubb was an Academic Qualifier for GT, we were missing out on the Nick Chubb kind of players that were low4*, maybe mid 4* that developed and played like a 5*.

The Players CPJ got from GA HSs weren't the future NFL types, they were the types where GT is the only P5 that wanted them, to validate that claim, in an industry where Coaches are trying to keep their $4million per year jobs(on avg), when these players transfer away from GT , rarely does another P5 HC even want them.

Stop trying to rewrite history, just come clean and admit that CPJ was a lazy recruiter, that NEVER BELIEVED that Recruiting was 80% of what makes a HC successful, CPJ was hard headed and believed that gimmicky play calling can make up for Talent disparities.

The entire GT Fanbase knows this, why waste the keystrokes trying to rewrite his legacy.
 
PressManCoverage said:
Those players you listed are the lower talent players, players that don't have defined positions coming out of HS, players that are undersized or tweeners, G5 types instead of can't miss P5 types.

Nick Chubb was an Academic Qualifier for GT, we were missing out on the Nick Chubb kind of players that were low4*, maybe mid 4* that developed and played like a 5*.

The Players CPJ got from GA HSs weren't the future NFL types, they were the types where GT is the only P5 that wanted them, to validate that claim, in an industry where Coaches are trying to keep their $4million per year jobs(on avg), when these players transfer away from GT , rarely does another P5 HC even want them.

Stop trying to rewrite history, just come clean and admit that CPJ was a lazy recruiter, that NEVER BELIEVED that Recruiting was 80% of what makes a HC successful, CPJ was hard headed and believed that gimmicky play calling can make up for Talent disparities.

The entire GT Fanbase knows this, why waste the keystrokes trying to rewrite his legacy.
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It’s never as good or as bad as it seems.
 
swampsting said:
I'll also drop you this nugget:
“He was very straightforward with me throughout the recruiting process,” (guess the player) said. “He told me week by week where we stood as far as offering me. He was a man of his word about everything he told me.”

That's Tobias Oliver.
He's talking about PJ.
PJ called him every week.
Yeah, he didn't care about recruiting, did he?
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Here's a verified story about CPJ's recruiting methods:

Pace Academy, elite private school in Metro Atlanta, had 3 OLs that were FBS Level recruits, 2 were Seniors, 1 was an underclassman.

CPJ shows up and the HC at Pace assumes he wants to talk to the can't miss 5* OT that is a Top10 Player Nationwide, so he has the kid show up , CPJ pulls the Pace HC aside and tells him that's not who I was here to see, so the Pace HC tracks down the other Recruit and CPJ meets with him makes his pitch, tells the recruit he's gonna stay in touch etc, afterwards the Pace HC apologizes for the mixup and says he just assumed everyone wanted to see the 5* OT, and CPJ says with his size and talent and measurables he's probably headed to Bama or UGA, he wanted to talk to the Player they had a legit chance to sign so he was there to see the other OL( with offers to Furman & Wofford.)

The Player was Andrew Thomas that eventually signed with UGA, started from Day1 in the "It just means more Conference" (IJMMC), and was a Top10 Draft choice in the NFL, the underclassman Starts at UGA this year if he's not injured his name is Salyer(sp?), and he's headed to the NFL also, though he might not be a 1st round draft choice.

Anytime high upside Players with NFL dreams were out there that were Academic Qualifiers, CPJ basically surrendered them to UGA and outsiders, because he knew when Players like that asked him how can you help me maximize my draft position, CPJ knew his gimmicky system couldn't do anything for them.

Imagine if that's how Chan dealt with Calvin Johnson.

As a Recruiter CPJ was always in the "surrender cobra" , neither of the players above were ever offered by CPJ, can't miss NFL OLs with the academics for GT

that's what CGC is out there doing with all that stuff you guys are calling used car salesman stuff, CGC is working his azz off to change the way HS Coaches and Players see GT FB
 
PressManCoverage said:
Here's a verified story about CPJ's recruiting methods:

Pace Academy, elite private school in Metro Atlanta, had 3 OLs that were FBS Level recruits, 2 were Seniors, 1 was an underclassman.

CPJ shows up and the HC at Pace assumes he wants to talk to the can't miss 5* OT that is a Top10 Player Nationwide, so he has the kid show up , CPJ pulls the Pace HC aside and tells him that's not who I was here to see, so the Pace HC tracks down the other Recruit and CPJ meets with him makes his pitch, tells the recruit he's gonna stay in touch etc, afterwards the Pace HC apologizes for the mixup and says he just assumed everyone wanted to see the 5* OT, and CPJ says with his size and talent and measurables he's probably headed to Bama or UGA, he wanted to talk to the Player they had a legit chance to sign so he was there to see the other OL( with offers to Furman & Wofford.)

The Player was Andrew Thomas that eventually signed with UGA, started from Day1 in the "It just means more Conference" (IJMMC), and was a Top10 Draft choice in the NFL, the underclassman Starts at UGA this year if he's not injured his name is Salyer(sp?), and he's headed to the NFL also, though he might not be a 1st round draft choice.

Anytime high upside Players with NFL dreams were out there that were Academic Qualifiers, CPJ basically surrendered them to UGA and outsiders, because he knew when Players like that asked him how can you help me maximize my draft position, CPJ knew his gimmicky system couldn't do anything for them.

Imagine if that's how Chan dealt with Calvin Johnson.

As a Recruiter CPJ was always in the "surrender cobra" , neither of the players above were ever offered by CPJ, can't miss NFL OLs with the academics for GT

that's what CGC is out there doing with all that stuff you guys are calling used car salesman stuff, CGC is working his azz off to change the way HS Coaches and Players see GT FB
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It’s just a game dog.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Gimme a ööööing break. HS coaches across metro ATL say you're full of crap. The main reason to move on is that we were a stale gimmick playing service academy ball & only you diehard PJ lovers cared to watch.
We sure as hell weren't ever beating Clemson and the mutts again under PJ. Choppin' & floppin' was a stupid blocking scheme.
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You are getting your info from someone who has hated Paul Johnson his entire tenure. This individual also directly contacted recruits and begged them not to come to GT as it would hurt their NFL chances while PJ was here. It is also lies and bad information.
 
Now we offer 5* recruits, spend our time blowing them & they go elsewhere. This benefits us how? We get to claim we’re “in” on players we have not shot with. Wow, I’m ööööing thrilled. We’ve got 2 recruiting classes to put out there for all the world to see. Every other team figures out how to play their top recruits in the first year or two before they bolt to the NFL. At GT, we need 4 seasons to “develop” them. Bullshit. We either cannot coach them or they got overrated. Take your pick. I think it’s the former more than the latter, but we’re going to be the ööööing Athens of 4* football recruiting pretty soon unless these imbeciles get out of here and get in a real coaching staff.
 
Liberty said:
Now we offer 5* recruits, spend our time blowing them & they go elsewhere. This benefits us how? We get to claim we’re “in” on players we have not shot with. Wow, I’m ööööing thrilled. We’ve got 2 recruiting classes to put out there for all the world to see. Every other team figures out how to play their top recruits in the first year or two before they bolt to the NFL. At GT, we need 4 seasons to “develop” them. Bullshit. We either cannot coach them or they got overrated. Take your pick. I think it’s the former more than the latter, but we’re going to be the ööööing Athens of 4* football recruiting pretty soon unless these imbeciles get out of here and get in a real coaching staff.
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We've literally had two recruiting classes, you miserable little öööö.

At least now we are in the same room with 5* athletes.
 
PressManCoverage said:
The State of GA is one of the few States where you can find P5 CFB Players all the way down to number 175 as far as Rankings go, in the top100 you might find the rare Recruit that signs with a G5 College, but almost all of the Top100 are P5 Players in GA and you find P5 Players as low as #175 ranked in Ga.

The Metro Area is 7 Million Folks and dozens of Top notch FB HSs with great FB Facilities, CPJ and his Assts could of hopped in Cars and did a Blitz of the Metro Area and filled our Recruiting needs.

In places like N Carolina, S Carolina, Virginia, once you get past the Top50 in the State, you are looking at G5 and FCS Prospects, while GA has P5 talent way past the #100 ranked Recruit.

Simply look at the NFL Draft over the last 10 years and see how well Ga HSs have done with sending Players to the NFL.

CPJ hated rejection from Recruits, CPJ hated the new age of Recruiting attention and arrogant Teenagers, and CPJ didn't get our fair share of GA HS Talent, but he sure loved benefitting from it, he was awfully arrogant those first 2 years with the Talent Chan left behind, he sure was, and he never adapted nor put in the hard work to keep that level of Talent at GT.

Everyone(not you OP), needs to stop making excuses for CPJ, no AD undercut his efforts as GT's HC
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it's why his best years were at Navy, which both recruits itself AND the players it recruits are perfect size for his offensive scheme and mostly good, smart, disciplined human beings. There, he could pretty much sit back & deisng new Xs & Os on the whiteboard while Navy recruited players by being Navy.

Southern fits to a lesser degree but for the exact opposite reason: Southern's a ööööty redneck school for P5 rejects (at the time he coached there. Still is a ööööty redneck school btw) and he ended up with P5 rejects he didn't have to work very hard to recruit either.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
it's why his best years were at Navy, which both recruits itself AND the players it recruits are perfect size for his offensive scheme and mostly good, smart, disciplined human beings. There, he could pretty much sit back & deisng new Xs & Os on the whiteboard while Navy recruited players by being Navy.

Southern fits to a lesser degree but for the exact opposite reason: Southern's a ööööty redneck school for P5 rejects (at the time he coached there. Still is a ööööty redneck school btw) and he ended up with P5 rejects he didn't have to work very hard to recruit either.
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Won back to back national championships at Southern finished two seasons here in the top 15.

Best seasons were at Navy. You’re an idiot.
 
GTCrew4b said:
You are getting your info from someone who has hated Paul Johnson his entire tenure. This individual also directly contacted recruits and begged them not to come to GT as it would hurt their NFL chances while PJ was here. It is also lies and bad information.
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I got my info from several public news sources who all reported the same thing. You're right though: Being at GT under PJ hurt anyone's chances to make it to the NFL. That's neither a lie nor bad information.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Winning at Navy vs P5 schools was more of an accomplishment than beating Valdosta HS in the FCS playoffs. You're a moron and likely a Southern fan.
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He beat Jim Tressel in the championship game in 1999.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Wow, one guy said nice things. Conversely, numerous area HS coaches have said that PJLazy never bothered to visit their school and players once over his whole time here.

No, I don't think he cared for recruiting very much.
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Probably because he didn’t want any kids from those schools. Head coaches don’t normally travel to schools unless he REALLY wants someone from there. They usually send grad assistants or low level assistant coaches most of the time.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
Probably because he didn’t want any kids from those schools. Head coaches don’t normally travel to schools unless he REALLY wants someone from there. They usually send grad assistants or low level assistant coaches most of the time.
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5* athletes Didn't want them. Didn't need them. The mantra of our recruiting for a decade.
 
JJacket said:
5* athletes Didn't want them. Didn't need them. The mantra of our recruiting for a decade.
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I mean, we were doing just fine without them. It’s not about how many stars the kid has it’s how well you can coach the kid. Granted there are a couple freaks that we skipped on because we didn’t want to waste time because we knew they wouldn’t come either from a) not wanting to play for a mid major school or b) couldn’t get in with the grades
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
I mean, we were doing just fine without them. It’s not about how many stars the kid has it’s how well you can coach the kid. Granted there are a couple freaks that we skipped on because we didn’t want to waste time because we knew they wouldn’t come either from a) not wanting to play for a mid major school or b) couldn’t get in with the grades
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Yeah, we were strong at QB and our Defense had no real obvious holes that could've been improved with better recruiting. Plus, I think we had 10 RBs active every Saturday. We probably should've had 5 more ready to go. öööö the DL and OL though. And Dook was beating everyone in 2018.
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