Patenaude to be OC

beej67 said:
You have fun ööööting on the best GT team in 28 years, and possibly the next decade. I'm sure that makes you feel great. I'll drink beer and watch the Orange Bowl on YouTube.
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And your drinking too much beer to think rationally you twit.

You are too irrational to realize the impact of losing to puke & cheat. Jeezus, and I bet you think gaggers are stupid for complaining about not getting in this year despite losing, not to puke & cheat, but lsu and bama.

And I am not so very sure the 09 team was not better than 14 due to D.

Why do you continue to öööö on the 09 team?

The entire season is taken into consideration.

Get over yourself and thinking everyone has to agree with you.
 
texstinger said:
And your drinking too much beer to think rationally you twit.

You are too irrational to realize the impact of losing to puke & cheat. Jeezus, and I bet you think gaggers are stupid for complaining about not getting in this year despite losing, not to puke & cheat, but lsu and bama.

And I am not so very sure the 09 team was not better than 14 due to D.

Why do you continue to öööö on the 09 team?

The entire season is taken into consideration.

Get over yourself and thinking everyone has to agree with you.
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Ask most Tech fans and they will tell you 14 was better because of the uga win and the orange bowl victory. We should have beaten uga in 09. We were a better team. In 14 if we had any defense whatsoever, we could have been a national title contender. But we didn't. So we lost to Duke and UNC. 09 team was more balanced. I still don't know how they managed to lose to uga that year. Both were good years. Any year with an ACC championship, an Orange Bowl win, or a win over uga are good years.
 
Akinji07 said:
Ask most Tech fans and they will tell you 14 was better because of the uga win and the orange bowl victory. We should have beaten uga in 09. We were a better team. In 14 if we had any defense whatsoever, we could have been a national title contender. But we didn't. So we lost to Duke and UNC. 09 team was more balanced. I still don't know how they managed to lose to uga that year. Both were good years. Any year with an ACC championship, an Orange Bowl win, or a win over uga are good years.
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The 14 team beat Clemson, UGa, and Miss State who all finishe in the top 11. That was an amazing run down the stretch.
 
texstinger said:
And your drinking too much beer to think rationally you twit.

You are too irrational to realize the impact of losing to puke & cheat. Jeezus, and I bet you think gaggers are stupid for complaining about not getting in this year despite losing, not to puke & cheat, but lsu and bama.

And I am not so very sure the 09 team was not better than 14 due to D.

Why do you continue to öööö on the 09 team?

The entire season is taken into consideration.
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The 09 team was the second best team we've had since 1990, behind the 14 team. If the 09 team hadn't lost to Georgia, which is more important than Duke or UNC, and hadn't gotten completely demolished in our first trip to the Orange Bowl, they might compete with the 14 team. Gosh, it's almost like you have to take the entire season into consideration.

Get over yourself and thinking everyone has to agree with you.
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I literally said you don't have to agree with me. Let's check the tape.

beej67 said:
You have fun ööööting on the best GT team in 28 years, and possibly the next decade. I'm sure that makes you feel great. I'll drink beer and watch the Orange Bowl on YouTube.
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Upon further review, instant video replay confirms the call on the field that my entire post was literally instructions and encouragement for disagreeing with me, and an admonition that I literally don't care if you do or don't agree with me. Why did you even reply?
 
Not to mention Winston had his best game against us and the defense actually played decently in the 2014 ACCCG. He made some amazing throws that night.
 
Let's get back to the thread topic, which I know is against Stingtalk Rules for page 5 of any thread, but I want to posit something.

Our new coach's comments during halftime of the bowl game indicated that he literally wants to come here and run a blend of pro set stuff and standard CFB stuff. He also said his focus was going to be to "prepare players for the NFL." Then he goes and basically transplants his staff from Temple, with a few GT alumni thrown in to appease the boosters. That sounds an awful lot to me like Bobinski basically just let the big money boosters drive the bus on this thing.

I can think of no program in the country where that turns out well, except maybe LSU. It certainly didn't work out for Tennessee post-Fulmer.

Now I'll give him a chance just like I'd give any other coach a chance, but "we want to prepare our student athletes for the NFL" is an almost exact copy of the Paul Hewitt coaching philosophy. Paul Hewitt had one really good year when he managed to land a lot of big recruits at the same time who could bail out his garbage coaching, and outside of that was horrible.

Add to that who we recruit against. The three closest P5 schools to us are UGA, Clemson, and Bama, who are also the #1, #2, and #3 football programs in the entire country for the last two years running. Widen the radius only slightly and you've got Auburn and FSU. Adopting a system which is basically a football factory system, in a market saturated with football factories who are and will always be better football factories than us, doesn't seem smart. It seems a hell of a lot to me like we're just adopting a new path purely because we got sick of the old path, without thinking about which path we're jumping on.

Again, I'll give him a chance just like I'd give anyone else a chance, but this entire experiment has every objective symptom of being doomed before it begins. This is my official "I told you so" post.
 
beej67 said:
Let's get back to the thread topic, which I know is against Stingtalk Rules for page 5 of any thread, but I want to posit something.

Our new coach's comments during halftime of the bowl game indicated that he literally wants to come here and run a blend of pro set stuff and standard CFB stuff. He also said his focus was going to be to "prepare players for the NFL." Then he goes and basically transplants his staff from Temple, with a few GT alumni thrown in to appease the boosters. That sounds an awful lot to me like Bobinski basically just let the big money boosters drive the bus on this thing.

I can think of no program in the country where that turns out well, except maybe LSU. It certainly didn't work out for Tennessee post-Fulmer.

Now I'll give him a chance just like I'd give any other coach a chance, but "we want to prepare our student athletes for the NFL" is an almost exact copy of the Paul Hewitt coaching philosophy. Paul Hewitt had one really good year when he managed to land a lot of big recruits at the same time who could bail out his garbage coaching, and outside of that was horrible.

Add to that who we recruit against. The three closest P5 schools to us are UGA, Clemson, and Bama, who are also the #1, #2, and #3 football programs in the entire country for the last two years running. Widen the radius only slightly and you've got Auburn and FSU. Adopting a system which is basically a football factory system, in a market saturated with football factories who are and will always be better football factories than us, doesn't seem smart. It seems a hell of a lot to me like we're just adopting a new path purely because we got sick of the old path, without thinking about which path we're jumping on.

Again, I'll give him a chance just like I'd give anyone else a chance, but this entire experiment has every objective symptom of being doomed before it begins. This is my official "I told you so" post.
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I’ve said it before, but a lot of this is branding more so than it is an indication of what we are going to run offensively. Like it or not, our “brand” under CPJ was “can’t get to the nfl from that offense so why would you go play there.” It’s not a completely fair brand, but IIWII and other coaches used it against us heavily in recruiting.

CGC is as big on branding as he is anything else and he has to get rid of the old brand in order to really succeed at what he does best - recruit. So I don’t see anything wrong with his statements nor do I see any of it as a slight to CPJ.

Edit - think of it as CGC controlling the narrative on how GT is described as a team. This may be the best thing for us - a media savvy coach. CPJ was a lot of good things, but media savvy was not one of them and it allowed the media to control the narrative - CPJ basically said as much in his last press conference. CGC seems much more willing to play the media game and may be selling ice to Eskimos with this NFL offense stuff (and we will really be running a HUNH RPO offense that is not a pro style offense) and media will sell what CGC is selling.
 
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savbandjacket said:
I’ve said it before, but a lot of this is branding more so than it is an indication of what we are going to run offensively. Like it or not, our “brand” under CPJ was “can’t get to the nfl from that offense so why would you go play there.” It’s not a completely fair brand, but IIWII and other coaches used it against us heavily in recruiting.

CGC is as big on branding as he is anything else and he has to get rid of the old brand in order to really succeed at what he does best - recruit. So I don’t see anything wrong with his statements nor do I see any of it as a slight to CPJ.
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If it was a branding statement, and not a statement of intent, then fine. As I say, I'll give him a chance. But that doesn't change the symptoms I see, and I don't like those symptoms.
 
beej67 said:
If it was a branding statement, and not a statement of intent, then fine. As I say, I'll give him a chance. But that doesn't change the symptoms I see, and I don't like those symptoms.
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Georgia is a pro style offense. I don’t think we will ever run that. But that won’t stop CGC from saying that our athletes are NFL ready which is a recruiting pitch.
 
savbandjacket said:
I’ve said it before, but a lot of this is branding more so than it is an indication of what we are going to run offensively. Like it or not, our “brand” under CPJ was “can’t get to the nfl from that offense so why would you go play there.” It’s not a completely fair brand, but IIWII and other coaches used it against us heavily in recruiting.

CGC is as big on branding as he is anything else and he has to get rid of the old brand in order to really succeed at what he does best - recruit. So I don’t see anything wrong with his statements nor do I see any of it as a slight to CPJ.

Edit - think of it as CGC controlling the narrative on how GT is described as a team. This may be the best thing for us - a media savvy coach. CPJ was a lot of good things, but media savvy was not one of them and it allowed the media to control the narrative - CPJ basically said as much in his last press conference. CGC seems much more willing to play the media game and may be selling ice to Eskimos with this NFL offense stuff (and we will really be running a HUNH RPO offense that is not a pro style offense) and media will sell what CGC is selling.
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Adding to this, I think the NFL style offense branding, on top of your correct assessment, is an indication our primary focus is on bringing talent in. I believe CGC is going to be more flexible (a new offensive concept around these parts) to his personnel. So, if you can bring in a NFL caliber dual threat QB, you run an offense tailored to him. If you bring in an NFL caliber pro-style QB, you tailor the offense accordingly.
 
I take the NFL thing to mean we are going to actively help our athletes achieve NFL dreams. I’m not convinced that’s CPJ did that because he didn’t feel it was his responsibility. He was very much a “self-motivation” and solve your own problems kinda guy. It’s something I think CPJ should’ve gotten away from if he wanted to continue his success but he wasn’t interested in changing who he was to appease the current crop of teenagers and I can’t say I blame him.
 
beej67 said:
Then he goes and basically transplants his staff from Temple...
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People keep commenting on this. He built his staff at Temple with people he likes, so it shouldn't be surprising that he's hiring people he likes at Tech, as well.

It's like a CEO who comes in and hires his own people from his previous company. He's not transplanting the previous company, he's hiring people he likes, trusts, and respects.
 
I’m hoping that everything is going to be wonderful and have decided to throw my full support behind our new coach. I will even buy tickets though I doubt I will make many games.
I am not optimistic that anything has changed enough to make a difference. The lb/de not being let in shows things are still the same. No matter the coaching or if we begin getting some four stars mixed in our classes we will never have any real depth.
O’Leary/Fridge it worked because we were able to isolate where we were weak and place some of our guys into favorable matchups not because our teams were overly great. It was good coaching from legendary coaches. It’s difficult to see the new staff as the same, but will give them a chance.
 
KrazieJacket said:
I’m hoping that everything is going to be wonderful and have decided to throw my full support behind our new coach. I will even buy tickets though I doubt I will make many games.
I am not optimistic that anything has changed enough to make a difference. The lb/de not being let in shows things are still the same. No matter the coaching or if we begin getting some four stars mixed in our classes we will never have any real depth.
O’Leary/Fridge it worked because we were able to isolate where we were weak and place some of our guys into favorable matchups not because our teams were overly great. It was good coaching from legendary coaches. It’s difficult to see the new staff as the same, but will give them a chance.
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O’Leary and Fridge were great coaches, but they were granted many more exceptions than Gailey or Johnson. It was also before the NCAA’s advancement towards a degree requirements.

I can see the new staff being great coaches, but we won’t know for a few years yet. Like you, I’m afraid not enough has changed to make a difference. And if not, the same jackholes will be blaming the coach and the AD for hiring the wrong guy.

Anyway, hope springs eternal and I’m excited about the new coach and possibilities.
 
beej67 said:
Let's get back to the thread topic, which I know is against Stingtalk Rules for page 5 of any thread, but I want to posit something.

Our new coach's comments during halftime of the bowl game indicated that he literally wants to come here and run a blend of pro set stuff and standard CFB stuff. He also said his focus was going to be to "prepare players for the NFL." Then he goes and basically transplants his staff from Temple, with a few GT alumni thrown in to appease the boosters. That sounds an awful lot to me like Bobinski basically just let the big money boosters drive the bus on this thing.

I can think of no program in the country where that turns out well, except maybe LSU. It certainly didn't work out for Tennessee post-Fulmer.

Now I'll give him a chance just like I'd give any other coach a chance, but "we want to prepare our student athletes for the NFL" is an almost exact copy of the Paul Hewitt coaching philosophy. Paul Hewitt had one really good year when he managed to land a lot of big recruits at the same time who could bail out his garbage coaching, and outside of that was horrible.

Add to that who we recruit against. The three closest P5 schools to us are UGA, Clemson, and Bama, who are also the #1, #2, and #3 football programs in the entire country for the last two years running. Widen the radius only slightly and you've got Auburn and FSU. Adopting a system which is basically a football factory system, in a market saturated with football factories who are and will always be better football factories than us, doesn't seem smart. It seems a hell of a lot to me like we're just adopting a new path purely because we got sick of the old path, without thinking about which path we're jumping on.

Again, I'll give him a chance just like I'd give anyone else a chance, but this entire experiment has every objective symptom of being doomed before it begins. This is my official "I told you so" post.
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Wtf does bobinski have to do with anything?!?
 
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