Article: No MNCs ever again

TampaBayJacket said:
The only post-integration title is 1990. You actually believe we can make it to the CFP and then beat two top 4 teams (one probably being Alabama)? Are you serious?
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Of course I'm serious. And I'm surprised I have to explain myself. I was at Tech in 1980 when UGa ran not just Georgia but the whole US and we weren't as good as half the high school programs. If we can go from that to an MNC ten years later, we can sure as hell go from where we are now to another one some day.

Yes. I'm dead serious.
 
smokey_wasp said:
I realize Fridge and O'Leary were on a MNC winning staff, but the best O'Leary did as the head coach was the Gator Bowl and a "co-ACC championship" that everyone knows FSU won due to the head to head. Our current head coach has been to two Orange Bowls and has unquestionably gotten us closer to a natty than his two previous predecessors. How that means we're so much farther away for some reason now than we were then, I have no idea.
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The gator bowl then is equivalent to what the orange bowl is now
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
In 2013 we looked generally awful, only won 5 FBS games, lost a miserable bowl against an unranked Ole Miss featuring a DC we'd fired, then the next year we played to within 2 points and the last seconds of our conference championship game against a team that subsequently went to the playoff while we won the Orange Bowl in dominating fashion against a top ten team that had spent four weeks at #1 after racking up 3 top 10 wins of its own?

And if you want to believe the "we suck" crowd, we did it all with a single OL that was any good, despite his terrible OL coach. Ted Roof was our DC, too, and it's not like he inherited something special from Groh. So how the hell are we so far away from doing better than that? öööö still changes very fast, and there's a reason for it: the margin between a good team and an average team in college football is actually really small compared to the margin between a good program and an average program. The advantages of the Clemsons and Alabamas just allow them to field good teams more often than average ones, but that thin margin is why Clemson and Alabama don't often have undefeated seasons, and why the UCFs and the WMUs of the world sometimes come up and smash teams fielded by top level programs.
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ThisIsAtlanta said:
In 2013 we looked generally awful, only won 5 FBS games, lost a miserable bowl against an unranked Ole Miss featuring a DC we'd fired, then the next year we played to within 2 points and the last seconds of our conference championship game against a team that subsequently went to the playoff while we won the Orange Bowl in dominating fashion against a top ten team that had spent four weeks at #1 after racking up 3 top 10 wins of its own?

And if you want to believe the "we suck" crowd, we did it all with a single OL that was any good, despite his terrible OL coach. Ted Roof was our DC, too, and it's not like he inherited something special from Groh. So how the hell are we so far away from doing better than that? öööö still changes very fast, and there's a reason for it: the margin between a good team and an average team in college football is actually really small compared to the margin between a good program and an average program. The advantages of the Clemsons and Alabamas just allow them to field good teams more often than average ones, but that thin margin is why Clemson and Alabama don't often have undefeated seasons, and why the UCFs and the WMUs of the world sometimes come up and smash teams fielded by top level programs.
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TampaBayJacket said:
Yeah, what I'm saying is that 1990 team would not have won a title in 2018. ACC is much harder, UGA is ridiculous now (they were 4-7 in 1990) and then that team would've had to beat an elite team + bama in the CFP. That 1990 team was great but it had to win a weaker ACC, ööööty UGA team and then 9-2 Nebraska (not even big 8 champs). That team had some NFL talent but not multiple first rounders up and down the roster like a typical CFP team today.

Finally, today's GT team doesnt even have single *draftable* NFL player on its roster. How the heck could we make the CFP and then win two games? I think you're trolling and I just took the bait.
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The ACC was the best conference in 1990.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
In 2013 we looked generally awful, only won 5 FBS games, lost a miserable bowl against an unranked Ole Miss featuring a DC we'd fired, then the next year we played to within 2 points and the last seconds of our conference championship game against a team that subsequently went to the playoff ...
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If the effing dwags hadn't injured Smelter, the 3rd down pass on our last drive against F$U would have been thrown to Smelter and not Waller (who ran the wrong route) and we would have won that game.

That is how close we were.

But there are those with 'Bama and dwag envy who think we'll never beat them ever.

We beat #1 Bama in 1980 with a high school team. We came within one wrong route to getting playoff consideration in 2014 (stupid Duke and NC games).

I don't get it. The idea that we will return to the National Championship picture is why I have renewed my season tix for over three decades. You CAN NOT discuss National Championships without talking about the FOUR that Georgia Tech has won (to one for the stupid fleabags) and we are not done yet.
 
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00Burdell said:
Of course I'm serious. And I'm surprised I have to explain myself. I was at Tech in 1980 when UGa ran not just Georgia but the whole US and we weren't as good as half the high school programs. If we can go from that to an MNC ten years later, we can sure as hell go from where we are now to another one some day.

Yes. I'm dead serious.
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Explain how a team of zero NFL players can run the table of UGA, ACCCG, CFP Team #1, CFP Team #2 (with one of the CFP teams Alabama)? I like your positive vibes but man I just cant fathom how you can envision it happening. The CFB landscape is quite different now than it was 30-40 years ago. It seems like maybe only 6 or 7 teams in the country have a shot at the title with everyone else playing for a bowl game.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Explain how a team of zero NFL players can run the table of UGA, ACCCG, CFP Team #1, CFP Team #2 (with one of the CFP teams Alabama)? I like your positive vibes but man I just cant fathom how you can envision it happening. The CFB landscape is quite different now than it was 30-40 years ago. It seems like maybe only 6 or 7 teams in the country have a shot at the title with everyone else playing for a bowl game.
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Look, Tampa, I love all my Tech brethren but I need you to get in the game. As I explained, I've been through times that make where we are now look like 1952. First of all, how the hell do you know how many NFL players we have on our roster - you won't know that until 2022. We have (or had) 11 4* guys on the defensive 2 deep (AJ Gray notwithstanding), a new kick-ass DC and a head coach who, I have reason to believe, thinks he can make a deep run this year.

If your mind is made up that we are in a caste system we can't break out of then I can't help you. But I don't see how you are committed to that when we went from 2 years without an ACC win (1987, 1988) to winning it ALL in 1990 (shared MNC my ass - we would have destroyed the five-downers). There is nothing in the current landscape that prevents us from repeating.
 
smokey_wasp said:
I realize Fridge and O'Leary were on a MNC winning staff, but the best O'Leary did as the head coach was the Gator Bowl and a "co-ACC championship" that everyone knows FSU won due to the head to head. Our current head coach has been to two Orange Bowls and has unquestionably gotten us closer to a natty than his two previous predecessors. How that means we're so much farther away for some reason now than we were then, I have no idea.
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I concur, you have no idea. The road to a national championship is much different now. You or I could pick ten teams right now that are potential championship winners next year and probably be correct. You can run the table like UCF, but, because you are UCF, you aren't going to be selected. It isn't rigged, per se, but only a chosen few have the program and the political clout, and the TV drawing power to make the final four.
 
gogt5 said:
The gator bowl then is equivalent to what the orange bowl is now
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This is true. 1998 was every bit the same high as 2014.

Yukonwreck said:
I concur, you have no idea. The road to a national championship is much different now. You or I could pick ten teams right now that are potential championship winners next year and probably be correct. You can run the table like UCF, but, because you are UCF, you aren't going to be selected. It isn't rigged, per se, but only a chosen few have the program and the political clout, and the TV drawing power to make the final four.
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To claim conspiracy and that UCF wasn't selected because they are UCF is ridiculous. UCF did not get selected for the same reason that Wisconsin didn't get selected. If UCF had beaten Auburn in the regular season it would have been something completely different.

There is nothing to suggest that political clout or TV drawing power has anything to do with playoff selection. Guess what? It's been proven that an all-SEC Championship means garbage TV ratings. Do you really think the rest of the country wants to see Georgia and Alabama play for the national championship? I'm not even defending the system because I think it's crap and it should be made up of conference champions.

There are lots of ways to bigcry the disadvantages that Georgia Tech has but this is dumb. GT is a P5 school in a conference that has always been represented in the playoff.
 
00Burdell said:
If the effing dwags hadn't injured Smelter, the 3rd down pass on our last drive against F$U would have been thrown to Smelter and not Waller (who ran the wrong route) and we would have won that game.

That is how close we were.

But there are those with 'Bama and dwag envy who think we'll never beat them ever.

We beat #1 Bama in 1980 with a high school team. We came within one wrong route to getting playoff consideration in 2014 (stupid Duke and NC games).

I don't get it. The idea that we will return to the National Championship picture is why I have renewed my season tix for over three decades. You CAN NOT discuss National Championships without talking about the FOUR that Georgia Tech has won (to one for the stupid fleabags) and we are not done yet.
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18in32 said:
The Orange Bowl then is equivalent to what the Orange Bowl is now.
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Youre right. I was a more casual fan then, so I dont remember it as well. My point stands that we arent any farther away than we were and we have gotten slightly closer since then. It was "impossible" the last time we did it and will likely be "impossible" next time.
 
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I think we were better in 2014 than 2009, but in 2009,up until we lost to UGa, weren't we highly ranked? We had our weird out game against Miami, but other than that?
We lost two headscratchers in 2014 and then had a tough loss in ACC championship game to FSU.
Like everyone else, I have fonder memories of 2014 simply because we lost to the mutts in 2009.
 
rain said:
I think we were better in 2014 than 2009, but in 2009,up until we lost to UGa, weren't we highly ranked? We had our weird out game against Miami, but other than that?
We lost two headscratchers in 2014 and then had a tough loss in ACC championship game to FSU.
Like everyone else, I have fonder memories of 2014 simply because we lost to the mutts in 2009.
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We were ranked as high as 7 in 2009 but ended up at 13. In 2014 we were unranked most of the season and jumped all the way from 24 to 7 in the final weeks plus the bowl. Finishing that strong definitely left a better taste in our mouths, despite no ACC title.
 
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TampaBayJacket said:
Explain how a team of zero NFL players can run the table of UGA, ACCCG, CFP Team #1, CFP Team #2 (with one of the CFP teams Alabama)? I like your positive vibes but man I just cant fathom how you can envision it happening. The CFB landscape is quite different now than it was 30-40 years ago. It seems like maybe only 6 or 7 teams in the country have a shot at the title with everyone else playing for a bowl game.
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How do you know we have a team without any nfl players?
 
GTRules said:
How do you know we have a team without any nfl players?
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I dont. We might have a guy that gets drafted in the next couple of years but we had none drafted this year and only a 7th round kicker last year so I'm fairly certain there is not a whole lot of NFL-level talent on the roster right now. Regardless, it's more of what I'm trying to say is our talent level is so vastly different than the top teams that we wouldn't have a chance at qualifying and/or winning a game at that level. At some point talent matters and folks around here seem to think CPJ has magic fairy dust that could let us run circles around Bama's defense. I say all this as if I'm disappointed but I'm not. I'm quite okay with 8-4 or 7-5 seasons as long as we have the occasional 9-10 win season when everything bounces our way (e.g. 2014) and we beat UGA every few years. CPJ has the same amount of wins against UGA as O'Leary so he has to be considered an elite coach in that respect.
 
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