Candidates For New Head Coach

[GTCrew4b]

So we are under the impression, that we are smarter and know better than the other 64 P5 Schools?

No. But that doesn’t mean we have to try to do it the same way. Our boosters are the same as all the others. They didn’t want the option.

 

[JJacket]

It seems like it takes a lot of practice to do it well - I see teams run a lot of ugly option plays. I wonder how we were able to pull it off with Joe Ham and Fridge.

JRjr

IMO, GOL ran the damn tightest ship of any coach we ever had. Be on time. Be organized. Precision. In his system, you can develop those type of plays because you are str8up professionally organized. I wish to God we had done what we did with Bobby Cremins and just taken him back and let GOL finish his career here as coach then AD

 

[JJacket]

No. But that doesn’t mean we have to try to do it the same way. Our boosters are the same as all the others. They didn’t want the option.

Because we saw what GT could be when GOL coached here. The UGAg game with GOL as head coach was going to be a 50/50 game forever. A battle. We should have had 4iar if it weren't for a ööööing BS yellow flag with 10 seconds left in 97

 

[GTCrew4b]

Because we saw what GT could be when GOL coached here. The UGAg game with GOL as head coach was going to be a 50/50 game forever. A battle. We should have had 4iar if it weren't for a ööööing BS yellow flag with 10 seconds left in 97

George O’Leary is obviously a great coach. He also had a great staff. I’m not saying we can’t do it that way. I don’t see it with this current staff. I wanted to. I also didn’t see the need to get away from option football. I thought it gave us something to rally around as a fanbase and program.

 

[Wreck07]

I have heard a lot of fans push the model of Collins (or any coach) as some sort of CEO (Dabo, Saban), and hire really outstanding coordinators that drive the Xs and Os. While that sounds nice, does GT actually have the funds to make that work? And if we are somewhat successful, how would we avoid the inevitable churn of coordinators? We can't pay them enough to stay when other schools come calling, and Tech will never be a prestigious destination for assistants, like Alabama or Clemson.

I today's coaching environment, I don't think we can afford to go this route. Let's say we identify a great talent for Offensive Coordinator at a smaller school. Why would he choose to be O Coordinator at Tech over other options, especially if he is offered HC at another, albeit smaller, school? I don't think Tech's program is prestigious enough now to warrant anyone take a coordinator job here over a HC job at, say, Coastal Carolina, ECU, or Georgia Southern.

I think we will need to try to repeat the model we had with CPJ. Interesting Offensive coach as HC/OC, with no real need for traditional OC. Save money to throw at HC.

Or, hire an entire staff from a smaller school who has had outsized success (Like Wake). But what are the chances of that?

 

[JJacket]

George O’Leary is obviously a great coach. He also had a great staff. I’m not saying we can’t do it that way. I don’t see it with this current staff. I wanted to. I also didn’t see the need to get away from option football. I thought it gave us something to rally around as a fanbase and program.

Well Collins is going nowhere for at least 3 more seasons. I guess we will just get the bitch sessions if he ends up how you think he's going to end up

I believe we are going to turn the corner and get good. Offensively, you can see the steps. We do need to mature the OL, but we have some hella good skill players and a few who haven't played that look promising (Blackstrain and Blackburn). The DL needs some depth and it looks like we get it next recruiting class. Ivey is a damn stud. Need work on the DB's and it would be nice for our LB's to step up. Looks like we have a good sized LB coming in 2022 class who could be a difference maker.

 

[GTCrew4b]

Well Collins is going nowhere for at least 3 more seasons. I guess we will just get the bitch sessions if he ends up how you think he's going to end up

I believe we are going to turn the corner and get good. Offensively, you can see the steps. We do need to mature the OL, but we have some hella good skill players and a few who haven't played that look promising (Blackstrain and Blackburn). The DL needs some depth and it looks like we get it next recruiting class. Ivey is a damn stud. Need work on the DB's and it would be nice for our LB's to step up. Looks like we have a good sized LB coming in 2022 class who could be a difference maker.

I won’t be bitching as much. I’ve come to grips with the fact that we can’t and shouldn’t fire Collins. I think he plays his whole contract out and doesn’t get extended after failing I beat UGA for the 7th time. I think his tenure will be very similar to Gailey’s.

 

[PressManCoverage]

I have heard a lot of fans push the model of Collins (or any coach) as some sort of CEO (Dabo, Saban), and hire really outstanding coordinators that drive the Xs and Os. While that sounds nice, does GT actually have the funds to make that work? And if we are somewhat successful, how would we avoid the inevitable churn of coordinators? We can't pay them enough to stay when other schools come calling, and Tech will never be a prestigious destination for assistants, like Alabama or Clemson.

I today's coaching environment, I don't think we can afford to go this route. Let's say we identify a great talent for Offensive Coordinator at a smaller school. Why would he choose to be O Coordinator at Tech over other options, especially if he is offered HC at another, albeit smaller, school? I don't think Tech's program is prestigious enough now to warrant anyone take a coordinator job here over a HC job at, say, Coastal Carolina, ECU, or Georgia Southern.

I think we will need to try to repeat the model we had with CPJ. Interesting Offensive coach as HC/OC, with no real need for traditional OC. Save money to throw at HC.

Or, hire an entire staff from a smaller school who has had outsized success (Like Wake). But what are the chances of that?

IMO the Chan Gailey Model might not have won over the Fans, but I think copying what Chan did will work in 2021 & beyond and give us the best chance at 10 win seasons and making the ACC-CG.

Except for QB we were closer to UGA, Miami (back in early 00s when they were loaded), ND, Auburn, etc, IMO we had every position group moderately strong except for QB, IMO our Money Guys behind the scenes panicked and went Teflon Option instead of giving Chan a chance to play his 4* QB Recruits (the other Guys , not Nesbitt)

 

[JJacket]

I won’t be bitching as much. I’ve come to grips with the fact that we can’t and shouldn’t fire Collins. I think he plays his whole contract out and doesn’t get extended after failing I beat UGA for the 7th time. I think his tenure will be very similar to Gailey’s.

Well aren't you just a defeatist pansy ass

 

[GTCrew4b]

Well aren't you just a defeatist pansy ass

I don’t see it that way. There’s nothing to fight. I can change nothing. Why waste my energy? I always root for the team and hope they succeed. Temple’s state right now has me very concerned.

 

[JJacket]

I don’t see it that way. There’s nothing to fight. I can change nothing. Why waste my energy? I always root for the team and hope they succeed. Temple’s state right now has me very concerned.

Temple what? TF are you talking about?

 

[FlatsLander]

I won’t be bitching as much. I’ve come to grips with the fact that we can’t and shouldn’t fire Collins. I think he plays his whole contract out and doesn’t get extended after failing I beat UGA for the 7th time. I think his tenure will be very similar to Gailey’s.

6th technically, we were blessed to skip u[sic]ga last year.

 

[GTWannaBee]

I have heard a lot of fans push the model of Collins (or any coach) as some sort of CEO (Dabo, Saban), and hire really outstanding coordinators that drive the Xs and Os. While that sounds nice, does GT actually have the funds to make that work? And if we are somewhat successful, how would we avoid the inevitable churn of coordinators? We can't pay them enough to stay when other schools come calling, and Tech will never be a prestigious destination for assistants, like Alabama or Clemson.

I today's coaching environment, I don't think we can afford to go this route. Let's say we identify a great talent for Offensive Coordinator at a smaller school. Why would he choose to be O Coordinator at Tech over other options, especially if he is offered HC at another, albeit smaller, school? I don't think Tech's program is prestigious enough now to warrant anyone take a coordinator job here over a HC job at, say, Coastal Carolina, ECU, or Georgia Southern.

I think we will need to try to repeat the model we had with CPJ. Interesting Offensive coach as HC/OC, with no real need for traditional OC. Save money to throw at HC.

Or, hire an entire staff from a smaller school who has had outsized success (Like Wake). But what are the chances of that?

Wake is paying their assistants and HC more than we are. You can’t hire a staff away for less than they currently make.

 

[GTCrew4b]

Temple what? TF are you talking about?

The last place that had Collins as head coach. If we use your logic of blaming the previous administration for the past 3 years of football. CGC is not so great.

 

[GT98]

IMO the Chan Gailey Model might not have won over the Fans, but I think copying what Chan did will work in 2021 & beyond and give us the best chance at 10 win seasons and making the ACC-CG.

What model is this?

 

[PressManCoverage]

What model is this?

Recruit GA HSs as strong as possible, don't just surrender any Recruit to a Factory, just because we did it in the past, focus on a strong attacking Defense, try to build up every one of the 22 positions on the Team, play strong Special Teams.

Chan's only mistake was not finding a QB soon enough, sad that our Money Guys behind the scenes were so short sighted and refused to give him more time.

Chan didn't surrender anything WRT in-State Recruiting, Bey Bey, Dwyer, Calvin, Morgan Burnett, Key Fox, Daryl Smith, et al -- Chan didn't give a crap who else was Recruiting them, he went after them with everything he had, not once did Chan ever say during a Coach's call-in show "that we're not supposed to Recruit the same Players as Bama, just look at their Facilities" (remember that Gem from you know who?).

If we stand behind Chan, I can only imagine where GT FB would have elevated to with a pipeline of Guys going to the NFL, imagine our Reputation Statewide?

Oh well, our Money Guys wanted "an identity & a unique Offense"

Notice how every major setback WRT GT FB came from Internal forces and not from opponents or enemies or anything outside of GT, always from within because of the GT Alum hubris that thinks any 'ol Idea we come up with is smarter & better than what the Hoi Polloi can think of.

 

[GT to AZ]

My vote is for Paul Collins. The perfect blend coaching and recruiting ability.

 

[CarsonNewmanJacket]

Explain what he did and how he out-coached CGC?

Was CGC supposed to scream our Team into playing better?

3 or 4 OLs that are 5 & 6 years removed from HS should be able to execute plays called by our OC, our grown azz mature OLs needed a coach to remind them that P5 CFB is supposed to be physical?

Blame coaches when they call the wrong play, blame Players when they screw up Plays that they should've executed with ease.

The entire "coach em up" mindset among our Fans is beyond ridiculous

Because they didn’t stay in a 3-3-5 all game when it clearly wasn’t working

 

[BrentwoodJacket]

For those even remotely thinking next year is going to be better, take a look at next years schedule. Aside from Western Carolina, we Ole Miss, Georgia, and Central Florida. In conference, we pick up Florida State on the road, and also go away to UNC, Virginia Tech and Pitt. Duke likely to have a new head coach and might improve a bit. Based on where our team is now, a massive rebuild looks like we would be starting over like year one. As an added note, these are scheduled years in advance but whoever thought is was a good idea to schedule games like Central Fla and Ole Miss needs to a talking to.

Coach Rice is our only good AD over the last 60 years. The verdict is still out on TStan.

 

[gambler]

HS HCs and HS Recruits in GA weren't going to return any of Monken's phone calls if he stepped in after CPJ left.

We hire Monken, no McGowan, no Gibbs, no Sims, neither of the 2 T-Fr WRs that got injured sign with us, and we still have a bunch of A-Backs(whatever those are) and undersized OLs on the Roster.

The way the entire Program was trending under the "Original"(CPJ), nothing better was going to come from a clone or lesser knock-off of CPJ(aka Monken).

If Monken was "that Guy", explain why USC, FSU, LSU, TCU, and any other Job that comes open isn't beating his door down?

CPJ legacy is that every Asst. from his Coaching Tree has a very low ceiling because CPJ never adapted to modern P5 CFB, now no matter how good and deserving Monken is, NO AD in any P5 Conference with trust any CPJ Asst with their School's FB Program due to the mess that CPJ left GT FB in.

No matter how much you scream for Monken, no AD(unless he's nearing Retirement anyway) is hiring Monken at a P5 College.

The conventional wisdom is that if Minnesota can find a PJ Fleck, and Iowa State can find a Matt Campbell, there's no reason to ever risk running the Teflon Option at your University.

You only have 3 choices:

1. HSs that don't have the Talent to compete
2. Service Academy FB
3. Ga Southern that is now losing to GA State half the time despite having a 35 yr head start on them

Those are your only choices to watch dirty, diving at the opponents knees, cut blocking (albeit legal), boring FB

Have at it.

Can someone start to explain why GT has so many Fans that love a FB system instead of their School's GT FB Team?

You're way off base. This isn't about loving the 3-O or about wanting Monken. All I'm saying telling you is why we're stuck with what we have, and if we wanted to win what it was going to take if the fan base collectively wants a new HC.

Monken would have been the status quo with less assholery and maybe better recruiting. You don't have to agree but I think you'll be hard pressed to convince anybody that Monken would have a lower number in the W column at this point.