Expansion Rumors…

WracerX said:
GT and Clemson are closer to FSU than Miami (possibly UNC too).
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In terms of distance, yeah, but (Bowdens aside), Miami/FSU may be the closest rivalry tie.

Edit: Also, “nearby” relative to the rest of the Big 10, not relative to the ACC.

JRjr
 
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clapper said:
How does ND go to the B1G, whether the GOR holds or not? Their current contract with the ACC says they have to join if they decide to do the conference thing.
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That would be interesting. ND has 7 home games valued at $10 mil per game. I figure their 5 away games are worth $6 mil to the ACC. So the acc would net $40 mil per year, unless ND cut back the number of home games to 5 and played two additional neutral site games. The could also make broadcasting from their stadium difficult, further reducing the value to the acc.
 
WracerX said:
That would be interesting. ND has 7 home games valued at $10 mil per game. I figure their 5 away games are worth $6 mil to the ACC. So the acc would net $40 mil per year, unless ND cut back the number of home games to 5 and played two additional neutral site games. The could also make broadcasting from their stadium difficult, further reducing the value to the acc.
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There are two contracts I would love to see:
1) ACC contract with ESPN
2) ACC conference membership agreement.

If a majority of the ACC teams have landing spots, can they dissolve the ACC making the GOR null and void since the GOR is with the league itself or can they just vote to void the GOR acting as a majority of the ACC members? If ESPN is getting the teams they want to join the SEC, they should agree to this outcome.
 
JJacket said:
Bullshit it is. None of those cities compares to a Wisconsin or Minnesota winter.
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Case in point that you have no clue what you’re talking about. Typical based on your post history in this thread and others. Here’s some knowledge for you.

Pullman, Wa average November high - 39 degrees, 2.72” of snow.
Boulder, Co average November high - 46 degrees, 4.6” of snow.
Salt Lake City, Ut average November high - 44 degrees, 1.34” of snow.
Seattle, Wa average November high - 48 degrees, .5” of snow.

Minneapolis, Mn average November high - 41 degrees, 1.1” of snow.
Madison, Wi average November 42 degrees, 0.42” of snow.

Global warming your next go to fail?
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Case in point that you have no clue what you’re talking about. Typical based on your post history in this thread and others. Here’s some knowledge for you.

Pullman, Wa average November high - 39 degrees, 2.72” of snow.
Boulder, Co average November high - 46 degrees, 4.6” of snow.
Salt Lake City, Ut average November high - 44 degrees, 1.34” of snow.
Seattle, Wa average November high - 48 degrees, .5” of snow.

Minneapolis, Mn average November high - 41 degrees, 1.1” of snow.
Madison, Wi average November 42 degrees, 0.42” of snow.

Global warming your next go to fail?
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I lived in Seattle for a couple of years and the winters there are wet and dark; but pretty moderate. It snowed once in the years I was there and the city shut down with wrecks everywhere, like Atlanta.

November Weather in Seattle Washington, United States
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Daily high temperatures decrease by 8°F, from 56°F to 48°F, rarely falling below 42°F or exceeding 62°F.

Daily low temperatures decrease by 6°F, from 45°F to 39°F, rarely falling below 30°F or exceeding 53°F.
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I don't know who is averaging a 0.5" of snow in Seattle in November; but it sounds like BS. No way it is similar to Minneapolis:

November Weather in Minneapolis Minnesota, United States
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Daily high temperatures decrease by 16°F, from 50°F to 34°F, rarely falling below 20°F or exceeding 64°F.

Daily low temperatures decrease by 14°F, from 35°F to 21°F, rarely falling below 6°F or exceeding 47°F.
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As a side note. September & October in Seattle are simply awesome.
 
Flywheel said:
So the NCAA is basically over. You're in the B10 or the SEC, or minor leagues. And eventually the elites in either of those will get pissed about sharing revenue and break off to play against a wall for 12 easy wins.
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I think the B1G will out maneuver and out smart the SEC and eventually the B1G will be the premier league, the SEC will be fine though a clear second tier, and the rest will be the equivalent of what FCS is today.
 
aeromech said:
I think the B1G will out maneuver and out smart the SEC and eventually the B1G will be the premier league, the SEC will be fine though a clear second tier, and the rest will be the equivalent of what FCS is today.
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The SEC has been ahead of the curve at every step of the process starting with the conference championship game. They are tied into their fanbase and seem to know their limits.

The B1G is coming around, but seem a step behind. They have made the right moves though to stay in the hunt.

The ACC is also reactive, but seems to be trying to survive rather than thrive. The big east deal with ND speaks to that.

The B12 and PAC just seem left behind.
 
WracerX said:
The SEC has been ahead of the curve at every step of the process starting with the conference championship game. They are tied into their fanbase and seem to know their limits.

The B1G is coming around, but seem a step behind. They have made the right moves though to stay in the hunt.

The ACC is also reactive, but seems to be trying to survive rather than thrive. The big east deal with ND speaks to that.

The B12 and PAC just seem left behind.
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While the B12 looks left behind, they really are in a good position to remain a conference after the next dominoes fall to the B1G (Oregon, Washington, Stanford). They can absorb Utah, Colorado, Arizona & Arizona State and have a solid #3 league.

The ACC is the one not named the PAC-12 in the most danger of folding up shop.
 
WracerX said:
The SEC has been ahead of the curve at every step of the process starting with the conference championship game. They are tied into their fanbase and seem to know their limits.

The B1G is coming around, but seem a step behind. They have made the right moves though to stay in the hunt.

The ACC is also reactive, but seems to be trying to survive rather than thrive. The big east deal with ND speaks to that.

The B12 and PAC just seem left behind.
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The SEC made the first moves to go big; but I think they are still thinking regionally instead of nationally. I think the B1G is waking up to the fact that they need to think nationally.
 
aeromech said:
The SEC made the first moves to go big; but I think they are still thinking regionally instead of nationally. I think the B1G is waking up to the fact that they need to think nationally.
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That’s going to be the gamble. The B1G is going national. So far that has been a losing strategy. But it worked for the B1G/PAC originally by making the Rose Bowl a national event.

The next big move would be for the SEC to remove some redundant pieces. MSU, Vandy, and Auburn don’t add a lot. And that isn’t because Auburn hasn’t performed at a high level, they have, but they overlap with teams that offer bigger markets.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
While the B12 looks left behind, they really are in a good position to remain a conference after the next dominoes fall to the B1G (Oregon, Washington, Stanford). They can absorb Utah, Colorado, Arizona & Arizona State and have a solid #3 league.

The ACC is the one not named the PAC-12 in the most danger of folding up shop.
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Not sure the TV market of the B12 +CO/UT/AZ/ASU outperforms the ACC. Also, adding both AU and ASU probability dilutes the payout per team in that conference.
 
aeromech said:
I think the B1G will out maneuver and out smart the SEC and eventually the B1G will be the premier league, the SEC will be fine though a clear second tier, and the rest will be the equivalent of what FCS is today.
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Northern bias showing? The SEC has not had a misstep yet...
 
If Cal and Stanford are in the mix as suggested, then the B1G must really still strongly value market/school quality/location/etc (and prove that Rutgers and MD really weren't fluke additions). Becoming a conference that has a presence in every corner of the country could be their long term counter attack against the past 2 decades of SEC dominance.

All hypothetical of course (and I realize I'm beating a dead horse here), but GT would be one of the few options they'd have to expand in the south east after taking the west coast. So we're back to the AAU short list of GT, UNC, UVA, and then possibly one of the non AAU (Miami/FSU, who have been applying) to get that final region secure.

EDIT: I'll throw in this graphic for good measure. Atlanta right up there with the Bay Area (Cal/Stanford), LA (USC/UCLA), Seattle (UW), and the Washington DC area (MD/UVA possibly) for location of B1G graduates
 
Bradp30 said:
Northern bias showing? The SEC has not had a misstep yet...
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To go national the B1G needs a southern presence. I think the B1G needs FSU, Miami, GT, UNC, Clemson and maybe UVA. You can miss or substitute any one or two of those; but they need a regional presence of more than just 1 or 2 teams.

SEC hasn't had a misstep; but they have definitely left the door open.
 
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