Expansion Rumors…

aeromech said:
To go national the B1G needs a southern presence. I think the B1G needs FSU, Miami, GT, UNC, Clemson and maybe UVA. You can miss or substitute any one or two of those; but they need a regional presence of more than just 1 or 2 teams.

SEC hasn't had a misstep; but they have definitely left the door open.
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Being in a southern division of the B1G with FSU and Clemson sounds appealing.
 
WracerX said:
Not sure the TV market of the B12 +CO/UT/AZ/ASU outperforms the ACC. Also, adding both AU and ASU probability dilutes the payout per team in that conference.
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I’m also going under the assumption that when the B1G finishes taking schools from the P12, this will get the SEC going again despite the report saying the president’s are good at 16.

Next is the B1G / SEC raiding the ACC for Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC or NCSU in the first round of the ACC losing schools. From there the B12 sure looks like a much solid conference to grab regional schools from the P12 (Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado).

What can the ACC do? Not a whole lot at that point.
 
aeromech said:
To go national the B1G needs a southern presence. I think the B1G needs FSU, Miami, GT, UNC, Clemson and maybe UVA. You can miss or substitute any one or two of those; but they need a regional presence of more than just 1 or 2 teams.

SEC hasn't had a misstep; but they have definitely left the door open.
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IF the B1G can bag all 6 of those teams as the more attractive conference (to university presidents), that is the real power move because presumably the SEC is going to want some of these programs. ESPN's hand may be forced to either pay up big for the ACC or buckle up with just the SEC.
 
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What does the ACC's Grant of Rights agreement say? Here's a copy

Conference realignment is shaking college athletics once again. The key to ACC stability appears to be its grant of rights agreement. Read it here.
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My questions after reading is...Did Bud have the authority to sign that document or did he need BOR approval? If he needed BOR approval, did he get it? If he didn't are we bound by the agreement?
 
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mookie43 said:
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What does the ACC's Grant of Rights agreement say? Here's a copy

Conference realignment is shaking college athletics once again. The key to ACC stability appears to be its grant of rights agreement. Read it here.
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My questions after reading is...Did Bud have the authority to sign that document or did he need BOR approval? If he needed BOR approval, did he get it? If he didn't are we bound by the agreement?
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That's the original GOR. No one can seem to get their hands on the 2016 amended version to see what revisions were made.

I just don't see any of the NC schools making a jump. None of them have truly competed for a national championship in football (add UVA, BC, probably Syracuse). I'm not sure the State of Virginia would back a VPISU after what they pulled to get them in the ACC. Nobody wants Louisville. That pretty much leaves the teams that have won the national championship some time in the lifetime of their fans. I think the ACC is working hard to find extra dollars and hold the league together. Clemson has proven a team can come out of this league and win if they do it right.
 
Can't recall anyone mentioning that the B1G is officially hunting for schools that aren't AAU members, for the record:

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McMurphy: What's Next for Big Ten? Kevin Warren Talks Expansion, CFP

Check out Brett McMurphy's conversation with Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren, including a conversation about conference expansion.
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From the article:
Warren said he was proud that USC and UCLA are AAU (Association of American University) members but also said being an AAU member is not a requirement for a potential future member.

“Literally every Power Five conference school not in the SEC has reached out to the Big Ten,” a source said about schools wanting to join the conference. “University presidents, athletic directors, senior women administrators, you name it.”
 
This is pretty interesting. Seems ESPN could be pushing ACC/PCC alliance to protect their tv conferences. Mention of GOR being resisted by PCC.




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Based off this article it appears that Boise is the only one with ratings close to the bottom of the Pac 12 which makes sense as their rights have been worth so much relative to their peers that the MWC has had a separate contract for them. Tulsa and SMU are the next ones up with Fresno on their heels. Rumored frontrunner San Diego State is really in the middle of this data. UNLV is another rumored candidate but they are last. The only other school remotely close to the middle of the country outside the Power 5 who’s ratings did well over my 2013-2021 span was Memphis who were around where Boise performed but I don’t expect Pac 12 administrators to push for them.


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Stop The Propaganda: The truth about Big 12 vs. Pac 12 TV numbers

Whenever realignment strikes people tend to throw out television numbers. Truthfully, many claims are not supported by the data.
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ramblinwise1 said:
This is pretty interesting. Seems ESPN could be pushing ACC/PCC alliance to protect their tv conferences. Mention of GOR being resisted by PCC.




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This guy thinks duke could be going to the big 10. He also calls Cal California and drives me nuts.
 
USC ‘shut down’ potential Pac-12 expansion plans last year
“The group met on a Zoom call to go over a 20-slide deck. But the Pac-12 was only about 15 minutes into its hourlong presentation before USC president Carol Folt spoke up.

“Folte told the group that she did not understand why the Pac-12 would expand and expressed surprise they were even talking about it”

Et tu Folte?

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USC President Carol Folt 'shut down' potential Pac-12 expansion plans last year

During a call with Pac-12 university presidents and athletic directors last year, USC President Carol Folt 'shut down' potential expansion plans.
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GTFLETCH said:
USC ‘shut down’ potential Pac-12 expansion plans last year
“The group met on a Zoom call to go over a 20-slide deck. But the Pac-12 was only about 15 minutes into its hourlong presentation before USC president Carol Folt spoke up.

“Folte told the group that she did not understand why the Pac-12 would expand and expressed surprise they were even talking about it”

Et tu Folte?

www.latimes.com

USC President Carol Folt 'shut down' potential Pac-12 expansion plans last year

During a call with Pac-12 university presidents and athletic directors last year, USC President Carol Folt 'shut down' potential expansion plans.
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Mainly because the options didn’t move the meter. Boise, San Diego State, Fresno State were the rumored schools being looked at. How would that have helped a new TV deal?

There was also a rumor USC was going to leave the P12 and go Independent for football. In the end, USC is now in the $$$ going to the B1G. The reality is, the Rose Bowl is 5he true loser in the USC / UCLA move.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
Mainly because the options didn’t move the meter. Boise, San Diego State, Fresno State were the rumored schools being looked at. How would that have helped a new TV deal?

There was also a rumor USC was going to leave the P12 and go Independent for football. In the end, USC is now in the $$$ going to the B1G. The reality is, the Rose Bowl is 5he true loser in the USC / UCLA move.
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Makes you wonder where we would be today if the major BigXII schools had broke off to join the PAC back in the day, as was heavily rumored, right before aTm decided to bolt for the SEC instead.
 
Listening to ESPNU and an interview with the Commissioner at Big 10 media days I heard a troubling answer to the question, “Are you and the SEC commissioner in conversation about how you see this conference expansion turning out? Since you are obviously the two power conferences, are you discussing with one another your ultimate goal for how college football will work?”

His answer was that they were not talking together. He stressed that he was focused on doing what was best for the member schools of the Big 10. They were satisfied with their number at 16, but open for any discussion that might be in the best interests of the Big 10, including further expansion. He concluded with the “gag me” lie, that all they will consider in the future will have academic integrity of the schools foremost in mind.

The sad part of this is that I think he is telling the truth. I wish the SEC and Big 10 did have a joint plan that includes how many schools they will involve and how they will deal with scheduling and playoffs, as well as this expansion’s effects on other sports. If they both decided on 28, we could plan for a super 56 with everyone else reorganizing to compete on the second level.

Instead, the Big 10 and SEC will continue to poach when and whom they want. They will compete against each other more than collaborate. These greedy guys want it all. Unless those left outside these two conferences can form their own new way of relating to and competing with one another, they will ultimately be devoured by the two big power conferences. Then, those two will turn on one another. Name what is true - the Big10 and the SEC both want to become the NCAA-like sole representative for a certain number of super power schools.
 
77GTFan said:
Listening to ESPNU and an interview with the Commissioner at Big 10 media days I heard a troubling answer to the question, “Are you and the SEC commissioner in conversation about how you see this conference expansion turning out? Since you are obviously the two power conferences, are you discussing with one another your ultimate goal for how college football will work?”

His answer was that they were not talking together. He stressed that he was focused on doing what was best for the member schools of the Big 10. They were satisfied with their number at 16, but open for any discussion that might be in the best interests of the Big 10, including further expansion. He concluded with the “gag me” lie, that all they will consider in the future will have academic integrity of the schools foremost in mind.

The sad part of this is that I think he is telling the truth. I wish the SEC and Big 10 did have a joint plan that includes how many schools they will involve and how they will deal with scheduling and playoffs, as well as this expansion’s effects on other sports. If they both decided on 28, we could plan for a super 56 with everyone else reorganizing to compete on the second level.

Instead, the Big 10 and SEC will continue to poach when and whom they want. They will compete against each other more than collaborate. These greedy guys want it all. Unless those left outside these two conferences can form their own new way of relating to and competing with one another, they will ultimately be devoured by the two big power conferences. Then, those two will turn on one another. Name what is true - the Big10 and the SEC both want to become the NCAA-like sole representative for a certain number of super power schools.
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The blame for this mess, as far as it concerns Tech, is neither the Big Ten nor the SEC. The blame rests 100 percent on Tech, itself. Tech left the SEC. Then, Tech reportedly turned down an opportunity to join the Big Ten. Is there any other school in America that did that? No. So, when these conferences wanted us, we said no. Now, we want them, and they say no. Whose fault is all this? Literally generations of horrible decision makers at Georgia Tech.
 
CiraldoForever said:
The blame for this mess, as far as it concerns Tech, is neither the Big Ten nor the SEC. The blame rests 100 percent on Tech, itself. Tech left the SEC. Then, Tech reportedly turned down an opportunity to join the Big Ten. Is there any other school in America that did that? No. So, when these conferences wanted us, we said no. Now, we want them, and they say no. Whose fault is all this? Literally generations of horrible decision makers at Georgia Tech.
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The blame is greed my friend. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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