Expansion Rumors…

I understand we are tied to the ACC with the GOR. But
is the conference tied to ESPN in the same way?
If the conference as a whole wanted to break with
ESPN for another outlet would breaking the
contract be cost prohibitive?
 
Kcs_Tech said:
I understand we are tied to the ACC with the GOR. But
is the conference tied to ESPN in the same way?
If the conference as a whole wanted to break with
ESPN for another outlet would breaking the
contract be cost prohibitive?
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That would be suicide, nobody else is going to pay what ESPN does for those super compelling ACC matchups
 
UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham and university president Kevin Guskiewicz discussed the idea of a merger between the ACC and the Pac-12 to text messages obtained by The News and Observer.

  • “Should we explore a partnership with the Pac 12(?)” Cunningham texted.
  • Guskiewicz replied: “We could have a super conference both athletically and academically. Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC).”

frontofficesports.com

FOS PM: Texts Reveal ACC Merger Talk - Front Office Sports

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“We could have a super conference both athletically and academically,” Guskiewicz responded. “Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC). Maybe that’s crazy, but if it would get us a better TV deal, it may be worth considering,” he continued.

“We need to think about what outcomes we want? What are our priorities? Do we want to maintain all teams in the ACC? Is this a new league? Do we want to have the same number of teams at each school? Should we play a national schedule or regional schedule?” Cunningham questioned..

There remains an open channel between the ACC and The Pac-12 about ways they can work together in the future. Merger talks are not a dream or a media hyped story there is clearly room for some serious conversations.

The two coastal conferences are a far better fit than joining the Big 12. The name floated by the North Carolina president rebranding of the two leagues as the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference makes sense on both an academic and athletic level.

An Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference could offer media partners some outstanding big-name college sports brands in all four time zones starting at noon on the East coast, heading into the Central, Mountain, and ending the night on the Pacific coast. We are talking Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse in the East, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, and North Carolina in the South, for now, SMU in the Central, Colorado, and Utah in the Mountains then it is Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Oregon, Stanford, and Washington out West.

That is a mega-conference with the star power and the media markets to land a big media deal. This would take four or five years to work out, but it would be time well spent if it could be pulled off.



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The Pac 12’s Leadership Needs To Ink A New Media Deal Then Start ACC Merger Talks.

Now Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff goal is to work with Amazon, ESPN, and a few potential mystery partners in the hopes of beating the Big 12 deal done with Fox and ESPN that pays about $31.7 million per school for the next six years.
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Wash, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Kansas, Ok St, Baylor, TT, Miami, FSU, GT, Clem, NCSt, VT

That would make a fairly profitable football and BB conference. You could pitch noon, 3, 6, and 9 o’clock games which could be attractive to a network.

The rest of the ACC could return to being a BB first conference.
 
GTFLETCH said:
UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham and university president Kevin Guskiewicz discussed the idea of a merger between the ACC and the Pac-12 to text messages obtained by The News and Observer.

  • “Should we explore a partnership with the Pac 12(?)” Cunningham texted.
  • Guskiewicz replied: “We could have a super conference both athletically and academically. Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC).”

frontofficesports.com

FOS PM: Texts Reveal ACC Merger Talk - Front Office Sports

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For short it would be called the A & P conference. Eight O’Clock coffee would be one of the main advertisers.
 
Nehru Jacket said:
For short it would be called the A & P conference. Eight O’Clock coffee would be one of the main advertisers.
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Following this dramatic shakeup, college football will no longer be organized by conference, but by genre. The former ACC/PAC will be Comedy, its games will air in quarter-long segments, weekdays on the CW.
 
The Jacket said:
Following this dramatic shakeup, college football will no longer be organized by conference, but by genre. The former ACC/PAC will be Comedy, its games will air in quarter-long segments, weekdays on the CW.
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Yep, that is what I call the “NIT league”. Schools left out of the big leagues and are vying to become the 65th best team. I can tell you this with certainty; FSU, and likely Clemson, if they get the opportunity to go to the SEC will do whatever it takes. And they will tie the stupid GOR thing up in court while making 40mil a year extra
 
I like this kind of thinking. It would not be crazy to include the new Big 12 in this super conference. You have a great footprint for media. Just thinking out loud, without the Big 12 - what if we could expand a little more to 36 teams and create 4 divisions. You now have a two weekend, three game football championship to market. You can have four basketball tournaments and then bring the four champions together for semifinals and finals. There is some attractive programming here. How would this work?
Pacific Division - UNLV, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, San Diego State, Fresno State
Mountain Division - SMU, UT San Antonio, Rice, Colorado, Colorado State, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State,
Central Division - Tulane, Memphis, Georgia Tech, Louisville, FSU, Miami, South
Florida, Clemson, Notre Dame
Atlantic Division - UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College

Let ND keep a home TV contract. This gives everyone 8 conference games with reasonable travel and respecting rivalries. This would make great sense to limit travel for other sports. You are in San Antonio, Houston and Dallas, have the West Coast except for the misfit Big 10 LA teams, are in New Orleans, Memphis, Atlanta, Louisville and three teams in Florida, cover the Carolinas and Virginia, and have three traditional teams from the northeast.
 
77GTFan said:
I like this kind of thinking. It would not be crazy to include the new Big 12 in this super conference. You have a great footprint for media. Just thinking out loud, without the Big 12 - what if we could expand a little more to 36 teams and create 4 divisions. You now have a two weekend, three game football championship to market. You can have four basketball tournaments and then bring the four champions together for semifinals and finals. There is some attractive programming here. How would this work?
Pacific Division - UNLV, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, San Diego State, Fresno State
Mountain Division - SMU, UT San Antonio, Rice, Colorado, Colorado State, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State,
Central Division - Tulane, Memphis, Georgia Tech, Louisville, FSU, Miami, South
Florida, Clemson, Notre Dame
Atlantic Division - UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College

Let ND keep a home TV contract. This gives everyone 8 conference games with reasonable travel and respecting rivalries. This would make great sense to limit travel for other sports. You are in San Antonio, Houston and Dallas, have the West Coast except for the misfit Big 10 LA teams, are in New Orleans, Memphis, Atlanta, Louisville and three teams in Florida, cover the Carolinas and Virginia, and have three traditional teams from the northeast.
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To many teams. Payout would be lower than the ACC.
 
77GTFan said:
I like this kind of thinking. It would not be crazy to include the new Big 12 in this super conference. You have a great footprint for media. Just thinking out loud, without the Big 12 - what if we could expand a little more to 36 teams and create 4 divisions. You now have a two weekend, three game football championship to market. You can have four basketball tournaments and then bring the four champions together for semifinals and finals. There is some attractive programming here. How would this work?
Pacific Division - UNLV, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California, San Diego State, Fresno State
Mountain Division - SMU, UT San Antonio, Rice, Colorado, Colorado State, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State,
Central Division - Tulane, Memphis, Georgia Tech, Louisville, FSU, Miami, South
Florida, Clemson, Notre Dame
Atlantic Division - UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College

Let ND keep a home TV contract. This gives everyone 8 conference games with reasonable travel and respecting rivalries. This would make great sense to limit travel for other sports. You are in San Antonio, Houston and Dallas, have the West Coast except for the misfit Big 10 LA teams, are in New Orleans, Memphis, Atlanta, Louisville and three teams in Florida, cover the Carolinas and Virginia, and have three traditional teams from the northeast.
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The only thing I could do to improve your brilliant plan is to require Fresno State to change its name to UFLA (University of Fresno at Los Angeles) and play its home games in the Rose Bowl.
 
donsue said:
Yep, that is what I call the “NIT league”. Schools left out of the big leagues and are vying to become the 65th best team. I can tell you this with certainty; FSU, and likely Clemson, if they get the opportunity to go to the SEC will do whatever it takes. And they will tie the stupid GOR thing up in court while making 40mil a year extra
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Funny, I call them college football programs, the ones not selling out to become bush-league semi-pro teams. I guess perspective matters.
 
GTFLETCH said:
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That conference would boast 35 of the top 113 TV markets (4 of the top 10, 10 of the top 20, 16 of the top 30, and 22 of the top 50). Still, with all those team, several in much smaller markets (only 16 of the 32 in the top 30 markets), the law of diminishing returns might lower the per team payouts. Here they are:
#5. Dallas/Ft. Worth (SMU)
#6. San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose (Cal and Stanford)
#7. Atlanta (GT)
#10. Boston (BC)
#11. Phoenix (ASU)
#12. Seattle/Tacoma (UW)
#13. Tampa/St. Pete (USF/UCF/FSU)
#16. Denver (UC)
#17. Orlando/Daytona/Melbourne (USF/UCF/FSU)
#18. Miami/Ft. Lauderdale (UM)
#21. Portland (UO)
#22. Charlotte (UNC)
#24. Raleigh/Durham (UNC, NCSU, DU)
#26. Pittsburgh (UP)
#27. San Diego (SDSU)
#30. Salt Lake City (UU)
#31. San Antonio (UTSAS)
#35. Greenville/Spartanburg/Anderson (CU)
#43, Jacksonville (FSU)
#46. Norfolk/Portsmouth/Newport News (UVA)
#47. Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem (WFU)
#49. Louisville (UL)
#50. New Orleans (TU)
#51. Memphis (UM)
#55. Fresno/Visalia (FS)
#56. Richmond/Petersburg (UVA)
#64. Tuscon (UA)
#66. Spokane (WSU)
#71. Roanoke/Lynchburg (VPI)
#76. Columbia (CU)
#77. Rochester (SU)
#82. Colorado Springs/Pueblo (UC)
#87. Syracuse (SU)
#98. South Bend/Elkhart (ND)
#108. Tallahassee/Thomasville (FSU)
#113. Eugene (OSU)
 
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