Expansion Rumors…

[aeromech]

They kicked and screamed wanting to keep their round robin basketball format before the expansion that brought in Miami and VT. Maybe they are willing to drop the basketball thing for enough money, but I doubt it.

NC State fans are arrogant enough to think they are high on the SEC list. I don't see it. They are mediocre. UNC is the only promising school there.

UVA is damn boring

To me, the best schools to add are GT and Miami. I would put in the contract, if I were the BIG10, that Miami must build a near campus stadium of at least 55k within a decade or face financial penalties or expulsion.

As far as GT goes, if we did manage to land in the BIG10 and get +$30 million a season, I would expect extensive stadium and GameDay experience improvements - including demolition of Peter's parking, which is an eyesore. Put a park there and move the pregame stuff there. The North Avenue pregame was almost unbearable last game with too many people funnelled into a small area.

This. GT and Miami come with big media centers, great travel locations, and no baggage.

Having to drag NCState or VTech along might be enough to keep UNC and UVA from getting an invite. I think NCState would be less attractive to the B1G than WaState or Oregon State were.

 

[Olgoldandwhie]

Wouldn't get a better deal now. Possibly much worse if fsu and clemson aren't on board.

With Disney bleeding money, I think good deals are a thing of the past.

 

[verdi]

ACC will triumph!

 

[GTCrew4b]

I think The Big Ten takes us on the condition we start a hockey team

 

[05GTCorndog]

This. GT and Miami come with big media centers, great travel locations, and no baggage.

Neither fit the profile of what has made the B1G successful in its expansion efforts. They went out and acquired large state schools that are the primary schools in their states/markets (undergrad enrollments - USC (22k), UCLA (33k), Oregon (20k), Washington (33k), Maryland (41k), Rutgers (50k), Nebraska (24k)). They didn't go out into crowded markets and pick smaller schools (Stanford, Washington State, Oregon State, Pitt, etc).

GT (19k) and Miami (10k) do NOT fit their model. If you think the B1G is going to suddenly change its expansion model to target markets and recruiting territory, then a case could be made, but I don't see them suddenly looking to add schools that are afterthoughts in their own media markets.

 

[THWG247]

Neither fit the profile of what has made the B1G successful in its expansion efforts. They went out and acquired large state schools that are the primary schools in their states/markets (undergrad enrollments - USC (22k), UCLA (33k), Oregon (20k), Washington (33k), Maryland (41k), Rutgers (50k), Nebraska (24k)). They didn't go out into crowded markets and pick smaller schools (Stanford, Washington State, Oregon State, Pitt, etc).

GT (19k) and Miami (10k) do NOT fit their model. If you think the B1G is going to suddenly change its expansion model to target markets and recruiting territory, then a case could be made, but I don't see them suddenly looking to add schools that are afterthoughts in their own media markets.

Why would the size of the student body matter to them in picking up schools for a football conference? Is 19k much different than 22, 20, and 24k? Market size is what matters, Atlanta is #7, South Florida is 17. AAU matters, School research money and endowment matters, recruiting the South matters, ease of travel and great roadtrip destinations for fans matter. Stanford and Cal got left because the BIG already got the best two Cali teams, Oregon and Washington St. got left because they are irrelevant and nobody wants them, they don’t need Pitt because they already have Penn St.

 

[madRazor]

Neither fit the profile of what has made the B1G successful in its expansion efforts. They went out and acquired large state schools that are the primary schools in their states/markets (undergrad enrollments - USC (22k), UCLA (33k), Oregon (20k), Washington (33k), Maryland (41k), Rutgers (50k), Nebraska (24k)). They didn't go out into crowded markets and pick smaller schools (Stanford, Washington State, Oregon State, Pitt, etc).

GT (19k) and Miami (10k) do NOT fit their model. If you think the B1G is going to suddenly change its expansion model to target markets and recruiting territory, then a case could be made, but I don't see them suddenly looking to add schools that are afterthoughts in their own media markets.

Every school you listed is an afterthought in their media market.

 

[DeepSnap]

Neither fit the profile of what has made the B1G successful in its expansion efforts. They went out and acquired large state schools that are the primary schools in their states/markets (undergrad enrollments - USC (22k), UCLA (33k), Oregon (20k), Washington (33k), Maryland (41k), Rutgers (50k), Nebraska (24k)). They didn't go out into crowded markets and pick smaller schools (Stanford, Washington State, Oregon State, Pitt, etc).

Just a minor correction..... USC is a private - not state - university.

Have a daughter, an ex-, and a dead ex-FIL who all attended USC who would vouch for this (if alive).

 

[JJacket]

Every school you listed is an afterthought in their media market.

By his enrollment measure, Rutgers ought to be killing it in the ratings.

And they should invite either South Florida or Central Florida and probably the University of Houston

 

[05GTCorndog]

Why would the size of the student body matter to them in picking up schools for a football conference? Is 19k much different than 22, 20, and 24k? Market size is what matters, Atlanta is #7, South Florida is 17. AAU matters, School research money and endowment matters, recruiting the South matters, ease of travel and great roadtrip destinations for fans matter. Stanford and Cal got left because the BIG already got the best two Cali teams, Oregon and Washington St. got left because they are irrelevant and nobody wants them, they don’t need Pitt because they already have Penn St.

It matters because that is one of the big contributors to the size of a fan base. 19k isn't much different, but the 19k at GT isn't the same as the 24k at Nebraska. Everyone in Nebraska is a Nebraska fan. Oregon is a brand. Washington is a brand. USC is a brand. UCLA is a brand.

Market Size is what mattered in 2010. The game has changed. Adding big markets with irrelevant teams is dumb. Does anyone want BC and Syracuse anymore? But Boston and NY?!?! No. Add brands with fans that get ratings.

Adding Oregon wasn't for the Portland market, their AAU status, or their small endowment. It was added because they are a compelling brand that creates nationally interesting games. Same for Washington, UCLA and USC.

 

[05GTCorndog]

By his enrollment measure, Rutgers ought to be killing it in the ratings.

And they should invite either South Florida or Central Florida and probably the University of Houston

Add large state schools that are the alpha in their markets. The B1G hasn't added little brother programs and I don't expect that to change.

 

[USCJacket]

Wouldn't get a better deal now. Possibly much worse if fsu and clemson aren't on board.

Exactly. An ACC without FSU, Clemson and possibly Miami would provide the ACC with the horrible Apple TV like deal that dissolved the P12 in the end.

 

[zippyGT]

Repeating my proposal for the B1G to add GT, FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, and UVA and start a “South Division”

4 new schools plus Nebraska and Minnesota are the West Division

then split the others into East and North.

4 division champ playoff to get a winner. 1 game superbowl vs SEC champion for national champion.

 

[Techbert]

ACC will triumph!

 

[ClubSeats]

happy as JJacket left overnight in a University of Alabama sorority house.

 

[USCJacket]

Add large state schools that are the alpha in their markets. The B1G hasn't added little brother programs and I don't expect that to change.

You could argue UCLA is the little brother to USC in terms of overall CFB presence. USC did UCLA a solid by telling the B1G that UCLA needs a seat at the table.

UCLA is an interesting case study. Funny enough how similar UCLA and GT are in terms of local media and fan support for football. Everyone knows the blue blood status UCLA hoops is. But hoops was not a factor in this expansion. Yes, UCLA being a hoops blue blood was an add on bonus.

UCLA for having one of the most picturesque settings in all of CFB with a national landmark stadium needed the B1G more than the B1G needed UCLA. Chip Kelly has been vocal about the lack of resources and the need for facility upgrades. The full influx of $$$ starting next year from the B1G (unlike Oregon, Washington who came in at a discount) should really help to elevate UCLA football to where it should be. 10 win program.

 

[JJacket]

Add large state schools that are the alpha in their markets. The B1G hasn't added little brother programs and I don't expect that to change.

So Notre Dame and not Indiana?

 

[verdi]

 

[GTLiebs]

Add large state schools that are the alpha in their markets. The B1G hasn't added little brother programs and I don't expect that to change.

By that logic the only school left to them is ND. Florida and NC are too split in general to say any of those schools are an alpha in the market. And as @madRazor said, really all these schools only qualify as alphas in their markets if by "their markets" you mean only within college football.

 

[JJacket]

By that logic the only school left to them is ND. Florida and NC are too split in general to say any of those schools are an alpha in the market. And as @madRazor said, really all these schools only qualify as alphas in their markets if by "their markets" you mean only within college football.

Auburn and Vandy should be booted from the SEC