Last year on the CPJ bandwagon

[SGA_Jacket]

How the Hell is Orwin Smith self-safetying a talent problem? That was the ballgame.

If that abomination didn't happen or VT called a different play where we made the tackle we wouldn't be having this conversation.

As far as Clemson goes here is how the 4th quarter went for GT after the offense took the lead 31-30:

1. Safety on 2nd down.
2. Missed 37 yard FG

Those are pretty bad luck and were a 12 point swing and we would have drained some clock if we didn't have the safety. Even though we were unable to stop Clemson's offense they could have been left with the ball in their hands when the game ended to lose 41-38.

FSU was interesting because our defense kept us in the game. I think that really shows how much scheme not talent was the problem. But it was Tevin's interception that lost us the game.

Orwin "self-safetying" is not why we lost. That hurt but we gave up 42 points and couldn't stop them in the 4th quarter. And we didn't get a first down when we needed to.

The VT argument is dumb. If they didn't call that play? We had a guy that missed a tackle and then the other took a terrible angle. Two missed tackles.

The Clemson 4th quarter debacle was a special teams and defensive disaster. We have continued to get worse on special teams since PJ has been here. That is a talent and coaching problem. Milton bobbles the ball and falls down and we start the drive at the 2 yard line. Missed 37 yard FG. We suck on ST's. Not a fluke that special teams and defense was the main reason we lost.

 

[BuzzLaw]

PJ is one of the best offensive coaches and overall motivators in the game. If we are losing, it is because either:

(a) PJ is a terrible recruiter;
(b) GT puts too many restrictions on recruiting;
(c) We have a terrible defense.

I know (c) has been a problem in the past and I'm willing to put up with it until PJ finds a good DC.

If (b) is the problem, no coach is going to come in here and do better than PJ.

If (a) is the problem, then PJ should be on the hot seat.

I hear a lot of talk about our academic restrictions, but I have no idea if it is from people that really know what they are talking about. I do know this: There is no reason, outside of academics, that we shouldn't compete with Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, S.C. and F$U for recruits. Therefore, if academics are the problem, we should fix them. If academics aren't the problem, we should fix the person recruiting.

 

[etc79]

I approve this message

PJ is one of the best offensive coaches and overall motivators in the game. If we are losing, it is because either:

(a) PJ is a terrible recruiter;
(b) GT puts too many restrictions on recruiting;
(c) We have a terrible defense.

I know (c) has been a problem in the past and I'm willing to put up with it until PJ finds a good DC.

If (b) is the problem, no coach is going to come in here and do better than PJ.

If (a) is the problem, then PJ should be on the hot seat.

I hear a lot of talk about our academic restrictions, but I have no idea if it is from people that really know what they are talking about. I do know this: There is no reason, outside of academics, that we shouldn't compete with Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, S.C. and F$U for recruits. Therefore, if academics are the problem, we should fix them. If academics aren't the problem, we should fix the person recruiting.

 

[eg1]

Thread's addressed mostly results without looking at underlying issues:

Johnson has failed in two major areas:

(1) Recruiting in first two years. Go back and look at those classes and count how many guys made absolutely no impact, none, zilcho, nada.

Two major positions, QB & DL had repeated big misses both among the guys who went elsewhere and the guys who did come here but didn't pan out.

Exascervating this talent drain was lots of 2007 guys leaving early, particularly OL, and not many young OL in the program when Johnson took over.

Left us with a roster of really young guys and really hurt coverage on special teams for a couple of years (not to mention specialists themselves have been bad which is more luck-of-the-draw). Young OL for a few years, bad DL, QB problems.

(2) Failure to get a good DC....TWICE. Just two awful hires, no sugar-coating it.

Where Johnson has succeeded:

(1) Has built an OL that when healthy and dialed in figures to be good for years to come.

(2) Offense has been pretty good overall.

(3) Players not getting into trouble

(4) Players graduating, going to class, getting good jobs....going on to be successful at life.

(5) Has built walk-on program that is increasingly bringing in D-1 talent (good at a school where recruiting's going to be challenging).

(6) At least Johnson aggressively attempts to fix what is broken (quick hooks for bad DC hires, hired ST coordinator, hired McCollum, Roof, Pelton to upgrade recruiting, improved QB & DL recruiting, trying new recruiting strategy outside SE targeting Catholic/private schools where kids value education over SEC idiocy).

Conclusion:

If we were a factory school I'd probably say 'enough', lets try another guy.

No other school I know of has GT's combination of a narrow curriculum(all BS degrees/technical majors), high entry requirements(highest team SAT avg for non-service academy schools), and difficulty graduating (compare GT's 5-yr grad rate with Stanford, ND, Vandy, Northwestern).

IMO building the kind of team we all want to see at GT is going to be difficult and is going to take time. It's going to take trying a bunch of different crap and seeing what works.

With Gailey I just didn't feel like we'd ever get there because he wasn't trying much that was new.

With Johnson there are all kinds of changes being tried to address the problem areas. Hell, he's even tinkering with the offense. In my opinion he's doing that to find something else that also works but is easier to recruit to.

No idea if recruting will improve, the defense will ever get there, ST's will finally be a strength, or whether we'll finally have a great QB behind a great OL

Wasn't very patient with Gailey but am apt to be more patient with Johnson. Johnson's clearly trying different things to be successful.

Meanwhile, academic hurdles at GT are continuing to get more and more restrictive. Roof has said publicly 40% of the players O'Leary had wouldn't get in/make it at GT and he was shocked at how the academic environment had changed.

Everyone has to make up their own mind & I respect those who disagree with me because my take could be wrong. Johnson's made a lot of mistakes and the jury is still out for sure. I just think looking at all the fundamentals of the situation a little patience could pay huge dividends.

insert Citizen Kane clapping .gif here

:biggthumpup:

 

[MtownJacket]

Orwin "self-safetying" is not why we lost. That hurt but we gave up 42 points and couldn't stop them in the 4th quarter. And we didn't get a first down when we needed to.

The VT argument is dumb. If they didn't call that play? We had a guy that missed a tackle and then the other took a terrible angle. Two missed tackles.

The Clemson 4th quarter debacle was a special teams and defensive disaster. We have continued to get worse on special teams since PJ has been here. That is a talent and coaching problem. Milton bobbles the ball and falls down and we start the drive at the 2 yard line. Missed 37 yard FG. We suck on ST's. Not a fluke that special teams and defense was the main reason we lost.

ST problems, especially FG problems, are rarely considered talent problems. The VT argument might sound dumb but if we played VT's final drive 10 different times with the same players we win 9/10. It was a fluke.

I am hopeful that this year we will have a defense that excels at the fundamentals enough to avoid stupid plays and a QB that won't throw an interception or fail to convert a 4th and 2 when its clutch time. Oh yeah, and a kicker that doesn't suck. I think our return issues have been sorted out with Golden. We will see about the rest.

 

[Diseqc]

Tie yourself down to whatever chair you're sitting in, because this post is going to be a rough ööööing ride.

For those of you that have your heads stuck under rocks, which apparently is the majority of this messageboard, we have been ööööING UP in terms of discussing football and general social interactions with each other. I've been getting texts on texts about people LITERALLY being so ööööing AWKWARD and so ööööing BORING. If you're reading this right now and saying to yourself "But oh em gee Diseqc, I've been having so much fun with my fellow STers this week!", then punch yourself in the face right now so that I don't have to ööööing find you on campus to do it myself.

I do not give a flying öööö, and Vad Lee does not give a flying öööö, about how much you ööööing love to talk to your STers. You have 361 days out of the ööööing year to talk to sisters, and this week is NOT, I ööööing repeat NOT ONE OF THEM. This week is about fostering relationships in the messageboard community, and that's not ööööing possible if you're going to stand around and talk to each other about politics and news and not about spring game. Newsflash you stupid cocks: FOOTBALL PLAYERS DON'T LIKE BORING POSTERS. Oh wait, DOUBLE ööööING NEWSFLASH: VAD LEE IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO HANG OUT WITH US IF WE ööööING SUCK, which by the way in case you're an idiot and need it spelled out for you, WE ööööING SUCK SO FAR.

This also applies to you little öööös that have talked openly about UGA football IN FRONT OF GT FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Are you people ööööing retarded? That's not a rhetorical question, I LITERALLY want you to email me back telling me if you're mentally slow so I can make sure you don't go to anymore night time events. If Vad Lee openly said "Yeah we're gonna invite Aaron Murray over", would you be happy? WOULD YOU? No you wouldn't, so WHY THE öööö WOULD YOU DO IT TO THEM?? IN FRONT OF THEM?!! First of all, you SHOULDN'T be talking about UGA, I don't give a öööö if your boyfriend goes there, if your brother goes there, or if your entire family is alumni. YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT UGA FOOTBALL. YOU. DON'T. TALK. ABOUT. UGA. FOOTBALL. And you ESPECIALLY do ööööing NOT convince other poster to talk about it with you.

"But Diseqc!", you say in a whiny little bitch voice to your computer screen as you read this post, "I've been cheering on our teams at all the sports, doesn't that count for something?" NO YOU STUPID ööööING ASS HATS, IT ööööING DOESN'T. DO YOU WANNA KNOW ööööING WHY?!! IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN ööööING UP ON OTHER THRADS TOO. I've not only gotten texts about people being ööööing WEIRD at sports (for example, being stupid öööös and saying stuff like "where's the 110V come from?" is not ööööing funny), but I've gotten texts about people actually cheering for the opposing team. The opposing. ööööing. Team. ARE YOU ööööING STUPID?!! I don't give a öööö about sportsmanship, YOU CHEER FOR OUR ööööööö TEAM AND NOT THE OTHER ONE, HAVE YOU NEVER BEEN TO A SPORTS GAME? ARE YOU ööööING BLIND? Or are you just so ööööing dense about what it means to make people like you that you think being a good little supporter of the StingTalk community is going to make our matchup happy? Well it's time someone told you, NO ONE ööööING LIKES THAT, ESPECIALLY OUR ööööING MATCHUP. I will ööööing öööö punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a öööö if you bigcry me, I WILL ööööING ASSAULT YOU.

"Ohhh, I'm now crying because your post has made me oh so so sad". Well good. If this email applies to you in any way, meaning if you are a little asswipe that stands in the corners at night or if you're a weird öööö that does weird öööö during the day, this following message is for you:

DO NOT GO TO TONIGHT'S SPRING GAME.

I'm not ööööing kidding. Don't go. Seriously, if you have done ANYTHING I've mentioned in this email and have some rare disease where you're unable to NOT do these things, then you are HORRIBLE, I repeat, HORRIBLE PR FOR THIS MESSAGEBOARD. I would rather have 40 posters that are fun, talk to each other, and not ööööing awkward than 80 that are ööööing ööögots. If you are one of the people that have told me "Oh nooo boo hoo I can't talk about football I'm too sober", then I pity you because I don't know how you got this far in life, and with that in mind don't ööööing show up unless you're going to stop being a ööööööö cock block for our board. Seriously. I swear to ööööing God if I see anyone being a ööööööö boner at tonight's event, I will tell you to leave even if you're sober. I'm not even kidding. Try me.

And for those of you who are offended at this email, I would apologize but I really don't give a öööö. Go öööö yourself.

-Diseqc

 

[gsu_paintballer]

 

[floridajacket]

The Crazy Sorority Girl E-mail is really not that far off from football forums after losses.

Edit: Thought it was a straight copy-and-paste, than saw ST-isms placed in there. Impressive.

 

[QuadF]

lol, good reference

 

[ElCidBUZZingFAN]

So you're satisfied with 7-7 and a bowl win over a poorly coached, average USC team? Wow. Tech fans are pathetic.

Oh look, a Tech fan that "doesn't accept mediocrity" and "expects bigger things from my team!" How cute.

 

[BuzzCzar]

Tie yourself down to whatever chair you're sitting in, because this post is going to be a rough ööööing ride.
...

And for those of you who are offended at this email, I would apologize but I really don't give a öööö. Go öööö yourself.

-Diseqc

i just want to reply to your non-rhetorical question and say that "no" i am NOT retarted. and my boner is too good for the board, im taking it to the (REDACTED)

 

[AE 87]

So what convinces you that Johnson is doing anything successful in turning things around? He's on he third DC, one who was mediocre before. Shuffling the deck chairs is not success. Simply look at the records that you claim show possitive signs (7-5, 7-6, 8-4) against what you claim were flukes (10-3, 9-4). It isn't better at this point. 21-19 over three years is not getting it done.

I said he was dissatisfied and doing something to make things better. I did not say that I was convinced he was doing something successful. Time will tell. However, I'm more optimistic about Roof than you seem to be.

The rest of your post, beginning with "Simply look ...," makes no sense to me. In fact, I mocked the practice of simply looking at the final record as the sole indicator of a coach's performance.

 

[bravejason]

Thread's addressed mostly results without looking at underlying issues:

Johnson has failed in two major areas:

(1) Recruiting in first two years. Go back and look at those classes and count how many guys made absolutely no impact, none, zilcho, nada.

Two major positions, QB & DL had repeated big misses both among the guys who went elsewhere and the guys who did come here but didn't pan out.

Exascervating this talent drain was lots of 2007 guys leaving early, particularly OL, and not many young OL in the program when Johnson took over.

Left us with a roster of really young guys and really hurt coverage on special teams for a couple of years (not to mention specialists themselves have been bad which is more luck-of-the-draw). Young OL for a few years, bad DL, QB problems.

(2) Failure to get a good DC....TWICE. Just two awful hires, no sugar-coating it.

Where Johnson has succeeded:

(1) Has built an OL that when healthy and dialed in figures to be good for years to come.

(2) Offense has been pretty good overall.

(3) Players not getting into trouble

(4) Players graduating, going to class, getting good jobs....going on to be successful at life.

(5) Has built walk-on program that is increasingly bringing in D-1 talent (good at a school where recruiting's going to be challenging).

(6) At least Johnson aggressively attempts to fix what is broken (quick hooks for bad DC hires, hired ST coordinator, hired McCollum, Roof, Pelton to upgrade recruiting, improved QB & DL recruiting, trying new recruiting strategy outside SE targeting Catholic/private schools where kids value education over SEC idiocy).

Conclusion:

If we were a factory school I'd probably say 'enough', lets try another guy.

No other school I know of has GT's combination of a narrow curriculum(all BS degrees/technical majors), high entry requirements(highest team SAT avg for non-service academy schools), and difficulty graduating (compare GT's 5-yr grad rate with Stanford, ND, Vandy, Northwestern).

IMO building the kind of team we all want to see at GT is going to be difficult and is going to take time. It's going to take trying a bunch of different crap and seeing what works.

With Gailey I just didn't feel like we'd ever get there because he wasn't trying much that was new.

With Johnson there are all kinds of changes being tried to address the problem areas. Hell, he's even tinkering with the offense. In my opinion he's doing that to find something else that also works but is easier to recruit to.

No idea if recruting will improve, the defense will ever get there, ST's will finally be a strength, or whether we'll finally have a great QB behind a great OL

Wasn't very patient with Gailey but am apt to be more patient with Johnson. Johnson's clearly trying different things to be successful.

Meanwhile, academic hurdles at GT are continuing to get more and more restrictive. Roof has said publicly 40% of the players O'Leary had wouldn't get in/make it at GT and he was shocked at how the academic environment had changed.

Everyone has to make up their own mind & I respect those who disagree with me because my take could be wrong. Johnson's made a lot of mistakes and the jury is still out for sure. I just think looking at all the fundamentals of the situation a little patience could pay huge dividends.

I agree with everything except implying that Groh was an awful hire. Groh didn't work out, but to say he was an awful hire is judging a decision by the results. CPJ said he wanted someone who had a scheme and could teach it. Groh had a scheme, could teach it, and he was a very experienced coach as well.

Ultimately, I want to see winning records against good teams. I think CPJ can do that. I don't know how much more time he should be given to prove it, but I'm not ready to jump off the bandwagon right now.

 

[etc79]

Good lord...dise just had a stroke on ST.

 

[etc79]

Okay nevermind

 

[AE 87]

Good lord...dise just had a stroke on ST.

LINK

 

[etc79]

LINK

Ahh...gotcha. Lol. Carry on

 

[wesleyd21]

All in all, I'd have to say I've expected MUCH more from Paul Johnson from the time he was hired up until this point. It really is crunch time for him now. Count me in the group that did not see this coming at all.

That pretty much sums it up (minus the troll bit).

 

[daBuzz]

In fact, I mocked the practice of simply looking at the final record as the sole indicator of a coach's performance.

Well, final record is pretty much the defining standard of how you measure a coach's performance.

Can anyone on this board tell me, without looking it up, how Bobby Dodd's defense did versus the run or versus the pass on a national rating basis? How about how many yards per carry his running backs averaged? How many times he threw a pass on first down versus ran the ball?

On a non-football-stats basis, how about what his graduation percentage was? Same question applies for Bill Alexander and John Heisman...hell, for that matter, GOL and Bobby Ross.

No, in the end, people just want to know if you win or lose. They don't care about your team's GPA or how many players could calculate the area under a curve.

- Just win, baby. Al Davis -

 

[MeatWrench]

Tie yourself down to whatever chair you're sitting in, because this post is going to be a rough ööööing ride.

For those of you that have your heads stuck under rocks, which apparently is the majority of this messageboard, we have been ööööING UP in terms of discussing football and general social interactions with each other. I've been getting texts on texts about people LITERALLY being so ööööing AWKWARD and so ööööing BORING. If you're reading this right now and saying to yourself "But oh em gee Diseqc, I've been having so much fun with my fellow STers this week!", then punch yourself in the face right now so that I don't have to ööööing find you on campus to do it myself.

I do not give a flying öööö, and Vad Lee does not give a flying öööö, about how much you ööööing love to talk to your STers. You have 361 days out of the ööööing year to talk to sisters, and this week is NOT, I ööööing repeat NOT ONE OF THEM. This week is about fostering relationships in the messageboard community, and that's not ööööing possible if you're going to stand around and talk to each other about politics and news and not about spring game. Newsflash you stupid cocks: FOOTBALL PLAYERS DON'T LIKE BORING POSTERS. Oh wait, DOUBLE ööööING NEWSFLASH: VAD LEE IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO HANG OUT WITH US IF WE ööööING SUCK, which by the way in case you're an idiot and need it spelled out for you, WE ööööING SUCK SO FAR.

This also applies to you little öööös that have talked openly about UGA football IN FRONT OF GT FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Are you people ööööing retarded? That's not a rhetorical question, I LITERALLY want you to email me back telling me if you're mentally slow so I can make sure you don't go to anymore night time events. If Vad Lee openly said "Yeah we're gonna invite Aaron Murray over", would you be happy? WOULD YOU? No you wouldn't, so WHY THE öööö WOULD YOU DO IT TO THEM?? IN FRONT OF THEM?!! First of all, you SHOULDN'T be talking about UGA, I don't give a öööö if your boyfriend goes there, if your brother goes there, or if your entire family is alumni. YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT UGA FOOTBALL. YOU. DON'T. TALK. ABOUT. UGA. FOOTBALL. And you ESPECIALLY do ööööing NOT convince other poster to talk about it with you.

"But Diseqc!", you say in a whiny little bitch voice to your computer screen as you read this post, "I've been cheering on our teams at all the sports, doesn't that count for something?" NO YOU STUPID ööööING ASS HATS, IT ööööING DOESN'T. DO YOU WANNA KNOW ööööING WHY?!! IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN ööööING UP ON OTHER THRADS TOO. I've not only gotten texts about people being ööööing WEIRD at sports (for example, being stupid öööös and saying stuff like "where's the 110V come from?" is not ööööing funny), but I've gotten texts about people actually cheering for the opposing team. The opposing. ööööing. Team. ARE YOU ööööING STUPID?!! I don't give a öööö about sportsmanship, YOU CHEER FOR OUR ööööööö TEAM AND NOT THE OTHER ONE, HAVE YOU NEVER BEEN TO A SPORTS GAME? ARE YOU ööööING BLIND? Or are you just so ööööing dense about what it means to make people like you that you think being a good little supporter of the StingTalk community is going to make our matchup happy? Well it's time someone told you, NO ONE ööööING LIKES THAT, ESPECIALLY OUR ööööING MATCHUP. I will ööööing öööö punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a öööö if you bigcry me, I WILL ööööING ASSAULT YOU.

"Ohhh, I'm now crying because your post has made me oh so so sad". Well good. If this email applies to you in any way, meaning if you are a little asswipe that stands in the corners at night or if you're a weird öööö that does weird öööö during the day, this following message is for you:

DO NOT GO TO TONIGHT'S SPRING GAME.

I'm not ööööing kidding. Don't go. Seriously, if you have done ANYTHING I've mentioned in this email and have some rare disease where you're unable to NOT do these things, then you are HORRIBLE, I repeat, HORRIBLE PR FOR THIS MESSAGEBOARD. I would rather have 40 posters that are fun, talk to each other, and not ööööing awkward than 80 that are ööööing ööögots. If you are one of the people that have told me "Oh nooo boo hoo I can't talk about football I'm too sober", then I pity you because I don't know how you got this far in life, and with that in mind don't ööööing show up unless you're going to stop being a ööööööö cock block for our board. Seriously. I swear to ööööing God if I see anyone being a ööööööö boner at tonight's event, I will tell you to leave even if you're sober. I'm not even kidding. Try me.

And for those of you who are offended at this email, I would apologize but I really don't give a öööö. Go öööö yourself.

-Diseqc