The Geoff Collins Effect!

Liberty said:
Measuring coaches by NFL players or recruiting rankings is a nice way of deflecting conversations away from win-loss records. Win some damn games and we can all dance/ jump around like idiots on the sideline for all I care. Reverse the order and we look like complete morons. Celebrating while getting our asses kicked is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen on The Flats, but apparently it’s trendy and makes some feel all warm
and gooey inside.

Hey we rule the State of Kennesaw at least!
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We run I-75?
 
Tampa Jacket said:
Excellent point. Our defense is troublesomely way out of position multiple times every game under Thacker. It’s obvious the guy is way in over his head. It’s not just the front 4 are ineffective.
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Collins wasn't paying any attention to defense. He was solely focused on making the offense elite. Now that that's settled, he's goimg to focuse his genius on resurrecting the defense like he did the offense.
 
ibeeballin said:
The NFL draft agrees with CGC assessment. Teams usually take a step back when they lose a NFL QB

This “diminished” record argument is so disingenuous. Temple has had 3 double digit win season in their entire history, yet you’re arguing that should’ve been sustained.

CPJ did a helluva job getting the guys to the bowl and it showed how far behind we have fallen getting embarrassed by the Gophers
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The same Gophers who embarrassed the SEC & Big12 (Auburn & WVU) the following bowls after beating Tech, or the Golphers who are on the rise becuase the great coaching hire of PJ Fleck!
 
GTFLETCH said:
The same Gophers who embarrassed the SEC & Big12 (Auburn & WVU) the following bowls after beating Tech, or the Golphers who are on the rise becuase the great coaching hire of PJ Fleck!
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Each season is not indicative prior success.

They followed that up with a 3 win season.
 
GTFLETCH said:
The same Gophers who embarrassed the SEC & Big12 (Auburn & WVU) the following bowls after beating Tech, or the Golphers who are on the rise becuase the great coaching hire of PJ Fleck!
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There's ALWAYS an excuse and a bunch of asterisking opponents to contrive some sort of story to fit the agenda. If we beat another team, they're obviously no good. If we lose to them, it's evidence we're no good. The only games people seem to agree on are NIU and Citadel.
 
daBuzz said:
Then Johnson doesn't get credit for the first 2 years when he was playing with NFL talent recruited by Gailey. Kinda stupid to play this game the way you're playing it.

You see what you want to see, it appears and close your eyes to all else.
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Difference being Johnson elevated the performance of the team he inherited, turning 8 win teams into 10 win teams. Collins did the opposite, and turned 10 win teams at temple in to 7 win teams. And now has turned 7 win teams into 3 win teams.
 
Liberty said:
There's ALWAYS an excuse and a bunch of asterisking opponents to contrive some sort of story to fit the agenda. If we beat another team, they're obviously no good. If we lose to them, it's evidence we're no good. The only games people seem to agree on are NIU and Citadel.
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The WTF games by year are the Citadel, Syracuse, and NIU
 
Tampa Jacket said:
Collins has been exposed. He was a bad hire. Hindsight is 20/20.

But your logic makes no sense.

There are dozens of high school football coaches that would have won more than 3 games per year. Bill Lewis would have won more than three games per year!

But winning 6-7 games every year and going to a lower tier bowl game was not the goal. If it was, we could’ve offered Chan Gailey another chance.

The goal was to reestablish a football program capable of competing for an ACC championship. High school football coaches and Bill Lewis would not have done that.

Zero chance Monken or Ken N. would have either. Period. There’s a reason Monken is still at Army.

My not being a fan of the triple option is irrelevant. The fact that good high school football players are not a fan of the triple option/flexbone is. And that fact was proven over and over, recruiting class after recruiting class.
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I fail to understand how 2 bad years at the end of cpj means that the college landscape was forever changed such that what had worked 2 years prior would never work again.
 
daBuzz said:
Would you disagree that Collins has made it more of a focus?

I remember Johnson saying WTTE that "Players pick the school" and alluding to the fact that there was little that could be done at Tech because it was difficult to get players in and keep them eligible.

At the very least, Collins has proven that to be a load of bunk.
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Collins best player left. It seems that he proved it was difficult to recruit and keep good players.
 
OmnipoTech said:
You know recruiting happens every year right, where you can recruit more OL? Oh wait, no you showed yesterday hou don't know that. You also forgot Parker Braun who didn't want to play for ööööty Geff and ööööty Brent.

Defense would have been in its 2nd year with Woody and would likely have improved, but even if it didn't, it would have still been better than the öööö your daddy has trotted out the last 3 years. ST? You mean the ST that includes our kicking game that went to COMPLETE öööö when Geoff took over? Yea that would have definitely have been better than what we've gotten the last 3 years.

It's laughable you even want to bring up defense and special teams when we may as well have trotted nobody out there and just handed the ball to the other team the last 3 years because they've been so bad under your daddy.

Every time Oliver stepped on the field he outplayed Marshall, everyone saw that except CPJ. Yates would have been Tevin like, you are correct there - Tevin was a good quarterback and excellent game manager, he just had a öööö defense his whole career. Graham didn't flunk out of Tech, so the fact that you are even insinuating such things shows you are just a salty POS.
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Woody and monkens product at army speaks for itself IMHO. Army has had a better defense than we have had any year that Collins has been here.
 
QuadF said:
I fail to understand how 2 bad years at the end of cpj means that the college landscape was forever changed such that what had worked 2 years prior would never work again.
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It’s not just that we were losing, it was how we were losing. We were completely uncompetitive against any top 20 program. We were embarrassed in the bowl game against Temple. Completely obvious that we just could not get the size, strength and speed players of a P5 team. If Paul Johnson thought he could turn it around he would’ve stayed. He knew the gig was up. The triple option is gone. It will never, ever, ever, ever be run on The Flats ever again. Thank goodness. Let it go.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
It’s not just that we were losing, it was how we were losing. We were completely uncompetitive against any top 20 program. We were embarrassed in the bowl game against Temple. Completely obvious that we just could not get the size, strength and speed players of a P5 team. If Paul Johnson thought he could turn it around he would’ve stayed. He knew the gig was up. The triple option is gone. It will never, ever, ever, ever be run on The Flats ever again. Thank goodness. Let it go.
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Yet 2 years before, we were dominating uga in the trenches. Your view isn't well supported and seems to just be more orange bowl man bad point of view. Do you have an actual argument or is it 2 years proves that it was over? Cause I can trump you with3 years of data showing that pro style offenses should never come back to the flats and will never work here again.
 
Jeff Monken just lost to a pathetic 3-win Navy team. I'm a big ARMY fan but they aren't a program we should be emulating right now, nor should we be hiring their coach.

Monken will likely retire at Army as one of their all-time great coaches and they should build a damn statue for him, given what he's accomplished up there.

GO ARMY
BEAT NAVY
 
@Tampa Jacket It was time to turn the page and move to a different coach/scheme, but if I was 61yo and had the means to ride off into the sunset you bet my ass I'd have hung up the headset. There's an angle most GT fans never mention. I'm fairly certain that there was widespread disdain for Sasquatch, but what if Johnson sized up Stansbury and concluded he was Sasquatch 2.0 albeit with an ability to fundraise better. I'm not spending my remaining years trying to help fix the training wheels on a broken bike. It's sorta looking like that scenario now a lot more than it used to.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
It’s not just that we were losing, it was how we were losing. We were completely uncompetitive against any top 20 program. We were embarrassed in the bowl game against Temple. Completely obvious that we just could not get the size, strength and speed players of a P5 team. If Paul Johnson thought he could turn it around he would’ve stayed. He knew the gig was up. The triple option is gone. It will never, ever, ever, ever be run on The Flats ever again. Thank goodness. Let it go.
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We beat a top 20 team in 2017 and lost to the #11 team by 1 point on one of the flukiest 4th down plays in the last decade.
 
Liberty said:
@Tampa Jacket It was time to turn the page and move to a different coach/scheme, but if I was 61yo and had the means to ride off into the sunset you bet my ass I'd have hung up the headset. There's an angle most GT fans never mention. I'm fairly certain that there was widespread disdain for Sasquatch, but what if Johnson sized up Stansbury and concluded he was Sasquatch 2.0 albeit with an ability to fundraise better. I'm not spending my remaining years trying to help fix the training wheels on a broken bike. It's sorta looking like that scenario now a lot more than it used to.
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Stansbury played football for Georgia Tech. Not going to get an AD with much more love for GT football than that.
 
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